Liberatore

[Ozziesfan41]

Did you also forget that he missed the end of 2015 and the entire post season because of shoulder problems and his career got completely derailed by injuries two years later? Can they please keep babying liberatore so he doesn’t go that path? I hope so

You mean how he threw 195 innings in 2016, then 205 in 2017?

But man! His arm issues were definitely from 2014!

No they were in 2015 when he developed them missed the end of the season and post season and they were lucky it didn’t blow him completely out then. So if they go the treat him like martinez route like you say they would be lucky if he just misses the end of the season with shoulder injuries and shoulder injuries are what derailed his career

CMart suffered shoulder strain during 2015 in what, his 28th start on September 25th? In other words, probably his last start of the year.

Libby had shoulder fatigue in early June and is slinging 4inning starts in July.

Yep. Totally the same...

Well why were you silly enough to compare them like they were the exact same situation then now change it and say they aren’t the same situation? And more silly is saying stop babying him so your theory is just leave him in and let him mashed for how many runs instead of pulling him when the fatigue sets in? And the doubling innings on Martinez derailed him at the end of the season doubling liberatores innings caught up to him earlier

I hope ML is okay and works through this. I have no issues with him.

My thing is "Oh, he is only throwing 4 innings a start in July because blah blah Oli and Mo." No. He just needs to be better.

CMart was cruising in 2015 until 9/25. Him relieving in 2014 didn't make him break down at only 85 innings into the season.

Libby needs to be better, if possible. Not every negative thing that happens to him is the fault of someone else... In other words, babying him...

lol that’s your expert advice just be better? I’m sure he would love to be better but when you physically can’t be better you can’t just think well I’ll be better then you magically become better that’s crazy. And yes Martinez was cruising until the innings caught up to him and liberatore was cruising until the innings caught up to him he was pitching well but according to you what he decided at that time to stop pitching well and all he needs to do is just be better that’s crazy. And it might be shocking but just because it took until the end of the season for innings to catch up to Martinez doesn’t mean it will happen for every single pitcher who ever pitches again at the same time. We know u love management and they are great and genius

Yeah, he has to be better. You can search for excuses like a baby, but Libby just has to be better.

Whether that's conditioning or having/not having the talent to be an mlber, he has to be better.

Starters usually don't get fatigued at 66innings, right? Or at around 85? Yeah, not good. And not normal.

But by all means, keep making excuses...

Not every two starters are the same you get that right? But hey I know you have a Melville sized know it all ego so if it’s okay I’ll agree to disagree and believe the medical trainers and personnel and coaches over the great and all knowing ecleme

I believe the trainers, personnel and coaches too.

As opposed to blaming them.

No you don’t believe them or you wouldn’t have criticized them for “babying” him they’re handling him the way think it’s best to keep him healthy and add innings you disagree and think it’s babying so no you don’t believe them

Try to keep up.

The OP pretty much said the reason why Libby has been gassed was because the organization had him relieve last year, instead of start.

The 'babying' or the 'infantilization' was about CTERs making an external excuses for why Libby is already gassed. "It's because Mo made him a reliever last year!!!" It wasn't about the coaches, trainers, etc.

I’m keeping up. So why do you think he is fatigued? Before the season even started I and several others said the jump in innings would catch up to him about the middle of the season or shortly after and guess what we were right. We completely predicted it would happen