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Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 18:03 pm
by Dazepster
Funny thing is:
When it is all said and done it is the fan who is going to take it in the ghoul. My Italian ain't so good anymore. Ya can figure it out.
Higher prices you can bet your life on!!!
That and another deep dive by MLB looking for Cheap Labor. Latin America and Asia are no longer ripe for further Colonization.
What region might be next?
Africa?
Antartica? There people there?
Arctic Circle. Maybe we get baseball played on sleds..Dog Sleds. And Lingerie Roller Derby instead of Take Me Out to the Ballgame during 7th Inning Stretch.
That would sell. Maybe we should make that a new sport..what you guys think?
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 18:04 pm
by ramfandan
Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
NFL does it. It’s called cap with 100% revenue sharing
One major difference between NFL and MLB .
NFL has a national TV package which tv monies are spot equally between small Green Bay and huge New York.
In baseball not so, each team gets revenues from package negotiated in their viewing areas. FanDuel fir St. Louis size market far smaller than the YES Neteotk for huge NYY viewing population area.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 18:06 pm
by Youboughtit
ramfandan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 18:04 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 16:42 pm
NFL does it. It’s called cap with 100% revenue sharing
One major difference between NFL and MLB .
NFL has a national TV package which tv monies are spot equally between small Green Bay and huge New York.
In baseball not so, each team gets revenues from package negotiated in their viewing areas. FanDuel fir St. Louis size market far smaller than the YES Neteotk for huge NYY viewing population area.
That’s why the NFL cap works. Must have both full revenue sharing and cap. There are 2 teams playing not one. Both should get 50%
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 18:15 pm
by butsir01
blackinkbiz wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 17:57 pm
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 17:07 pm
blackinkbiz wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 14:40 pm
Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.
Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.
You do realize if the current CBA were to continue without a floor/cap/rev sharing the Dodgers, being in one of the largest and most profitable markets, aren't going to feel sorry for other teams. They'll just keep spending and winning as many championships as they can because their stock will just keep going up and up and up.
You have a false premise, assuming that spending is linked to metro size. SD is the 18th biggest metro area, behind Tampa, Minneapolis, SF, Seattle, Detroit. Miami is 5th and Phoenix is 10th. Yet somehow they have a top 5 payroll...
All owners can afford to spend. But they don't bc they know they can turn chumps like you against the big spenders instead of their own stingy owners.
Who said anything about metro size; I said market size. The Dodgers bring in more revenue than any other team in baseball and they share a lot of it so of course other teams could spend more. But because they
can doesn't mean they currently have to.
Hence the need for all 3 as I originally said floor/cap/rev sharing. It's the only way to create parody in MLB.
I don't know what the h*ll you're even talking about but you're being a jack*ss so kick rocks, beotch.
Baseball is its own parody.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 18:27 pm
by AtillaTheBlue1
a salary cap ruins sports
it waters it down even more. guys cannot stay with clubs for their careers, because of the caps.
And if you have hard caps, like NHL, teams will cheat the cap with [nonsense] injuries, and the players will play along.
I'm not pro athlete, but salary cap is not the good, people think it is.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 18:56 pm
by peterman'srealitytour
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 15:23 pm
peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 15:04 pm
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 14:40 pm
Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.
Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.
And you are no fan of the game if you don’t see how critical a salary cap is to the future of the game. Harper may be a bada$$ on the field but a sounds like a jacka$$ off of it.
Owners need to get on the same page. Stop this bullshyt system of inducing small market teams to go along with the status quo by throwing some revenue sharing $ at them. Way past the time to fix a system where only large market teams can reasonably expect to win a championship. NFL model works. Small market teams like Kansas City, Buffalo, etc have chance of winning it all.
If it takes a lockout, strike, to fix it, grow a pair and do it. If not, I hope fans stay away in droves.
You think the Harpers of the game are holding the owners hostage to get those deals? Of course they're not, the owners willingly sign players to those contracts bc they know they can afford it. They just complain a ton about it on the back end, and during CBA negotiations, because they don't want fans to think they can afford it for everyone.
And if you don't mention a salary floor in the same breath as a salary cap, then you may be a fan of the game but you're also the exact mark that the owners depend on to keep funding their yachts.
I don’t disagree with any of that. The owners in the small and mid market teams are a big part of the problem. The revenue sharing and limited payroll make it profitable as is. They are disincentived to change.
Even though the game itself is suffering and the gap in talent grows, they are all making money. Many of them might publicly say we need a salary cap but not going to risk their existing profit structure to take a stand and lock the players out.
Time for fans in the small and mid market teams to stop buying the product. We are at the point where these fans are subsidizing a system that makes it nearly impossible for their team to win a championship. Will that happen? I’ll believe it when I see it.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:07 pm
by blackinkbiz
peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 18:56 pm
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 15:23 pm
peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 15:04 pm
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 14:40 pm
Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.
Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.
And you are no fan of the game if you don’t see how critical a salary cap is to the future of the game. Harper may be a bada$$ on the field but a sounds like a jacka$$ off of it.
Owners need to get on the same page. Stop this bullshyt system of inducing small market teams to go along with the status quo by throwing some revenue sharing $ at them. Way past the time to fix a system where only large market teams can reasonably expect to win a championship. NFL model works. Small market teams like Kansas City, Buffalo, etc have chance of winning it all.
If it takes a lockout, strike, to fix it, grow a pair and do it. If not, I hope fans stay away in droves.
You think the Harpers of the game are holding the owners hostage to get those deals? Of course they're not, the owners willingly sign players to those contracts bc they know they can afford it. They just complain a ton about it on the back end, and during CBA negotiations, because they don't want fans to think they can afford it for everyone.
And if you don't mention a salary floor in the same breath as a salary cap, then you may be a fan of the game but you're also the exact mark that the owners depend on to keep funding their yachts.
I don’t disagree with any of that. The owners in the small and mid market teams are a big part of the problem. The revenue sharing and limited payroll make it profitable as is. They are disincentived to change.
Even though the game itself is suffering and the gap in talent grows, they are all making money. Many of them might publicly say we need a salary cap but not going to risk their existing profit structure to take a stand and lock the players out.
Time for fans in the small and mid market teams to stop buying the product. We are at the point where these fans are subsidizing a system that makes it nearly impossible for their team to win a championship. Will that happen? I’ll believe it when I see it.
I'd be fine if they simply put in a salary floor and extensive rev sharing.
But, seems like the owners are a no-go on that, so my guess is there's def certain to be a lockout.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:12 pm
by Bushiro
3dender wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 14:40 pm
Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.
Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.
You would be correct....all he was if you want to talk about that get out of the clubhouse....he has no business doing it there...might be a hot head but he's still correct in saying it
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:22 pm
by Cranny
Dazepster wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 17:08 pm
Have never been an admirer of Harper.
Yet, on this one, I say KUDOS to you Mr Harper. And Stick to your Guns.
Harper - “It’s all about me, me, me. And the players in the union. Them, them, them.” He has no concept of a completely lop sided industry that’s doomed to fail unless they do something equitable that makes sense.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
by Goldfan
Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:22 pm
Dazepster wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 17:08 pm
Have never been an admirer of Harper.
Yet, on this one, I say KUDOS to you Mr Harper. And Stick to your Guns.
Harper - “It’s all about me, me, me. And the players in the union. Them, them, them.” He has no concept of a completely lop sided industry that’s doomed to fail unless they do something equitable that makes sense.
Cranny, who writes the checks??
And do these fellas own the league?
And do they require a certain number of teams in league??
Who determines that number??
So you want the PLAYERS to administer the OWNERS, who own the league, so they won’t spend so much money??
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:38 pm
by WLTFE
Millionaires vs. Billionaires...they can afford to shutdown baseball in 2027....and life will go on...
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:39 pm
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:22 pm
Dazepster wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 17:08 pm
Have never been an admirer of Harper.
Yet, on this one, I say KUDOS to you Mr Harper. And Stick to your Guns.
Harper - “It’s all about me, me, me. And the players in the union. Them, them, them.” He has no concept of a completely lop sided industry that’s doomed to fail unless they do something equitable that makes sense.
Cranny, who writes the checks??
And do these fellas own the league?
And do they require a certain number of teams in league??
Who determines that number??
So you want the PLAYERS to administer the OWNERS, who own the league, so they won’t spend so much money??
Did you ever hear of suing for collusion?
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
by Backesdraft
WLTFE wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:38 pm
Millionaires vs. Billionaires...they can afford to shutdown baseball in 2027....and life will go on...
Couldn’t agree more and that’s the big problem. Life will go on and how many more fans will suddenly become totally apathetic? Too many…
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:44 pm
by WLTFE
Backesdraft wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
WLTFE wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:38 pm
Millionaires vs. Billionaires...they can afford to shutdown baseball in 2027....and life will go on...
Couldn’t agree more and that’s the big problem. Life will go on and how many more fans will suddenly become totally apathetic? Too many…
I share season tix in Section 148...this year has been bad...a lot of fans have dropped their tix...and fans are really (upset) at Mo-ran.
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:53 pm
by Cranny
The troll pops his head up again!
Re: B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk
Posted: 28 Jul 2025 19:57 pm
by Gob
Backesdraft wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:41 pm
WLTFE wrote: ↑28 Jul 2025 19:38 pm
Millionaires vs. Billionaires...they can afford to shutdown baseball in 2027....and life will go on...
Couldn’t agree more and that’s the big problem. Life will go on and how many more fans will suddenly become totally apathetic? Too many…
It’s pretty naive of him to think they can just sit out a whole season. If MLB is gone for a year everyone will realize they don’t really miss it that much