B. Harper goes off on Manfred's Salary Cap talk

[60 year Cardinal fan]

It is very hard to keep the pendulum in the middle.

[Youboughtit]

It is very hard to keep the pendulum in the middle.

NFL does it. It’s called cap with 100% revenue sharing

[blackinkbiz]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

You do realize if the current CBA were to continue without a floor/cap/rev sharing the Dodgers, being in one of the largest and most profitable markets, aren't going to feel sorry for other teams. They'll just keep spending and winning as many championships as they can because their stock will just keep going up and up and up.

[dugoutrex]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

You do realize if the current CBA were to continue without a floor/cap/rev sharing the Dodgers, being in one of the largest and most profitable markets, aren't going to feel sorry for other teams. They'll just keep spending and winning as many championships as they can because their stock will just keep going up and up and up.

are the Dodgers going for their 9th title in a row or is it 10 ?

[3dender]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

You do realize if the current CBA were to continue without a floor/cap/rev sharing the Dodgers, being in one of the largest and most profitable markets, aren't going to feel sorry for other teams. They'll just keep spending and winning as many championships as they can because their stock will just keep going up and up and up.

You have a false premise, assuming that spending is linked to metro size. SD is the 18th biggest metro area, behind Tampa, Minneapolis, SF, Seattle, Detroit. Miami is 5th and Phoenix is 10th. Yet somehow they have a top 5 payroll...

All owners can afford to spend. But they don't bc they know they can turn chumps like you against the big spenders instead of their own stingy owners.

[Dazepster]

Have never been an admirer of Harper.

Yet, on this one, I say KUDOS to you Mr Harper. And Stick to your Guns.

[Punkk6]

Yes stick to your guns Harper, enjoy sitting at HOME in 2027

[Dazepster]

Yes stick to your guns Harper, enjoy sitting at HOME in 2027

He is going to get paid either way. Simply paying it forward for those not as fortunate as he is.

Scratch that. If they get locked out or strike he won't get paid outside of bonuses and deferred monies due.

Even more admiration for him. Putting his money where his mouth is.

[Goldfan]

Players……Please……Please…..Please……stop us from writing these large contracts
Once the pen is inserted into our hands……theres nothing we can do but sign
Please help us stop

[Bomber1]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

Totally agree that Manfred is a stooge. That said, painting Harper as some heroic figure in this is just as unproductive. Flat out saying the players are willing to lose an entire year so they can continue to inflate salaries is basically an eff you to the fans. Let’s say there IS a lockout and then when it is finally resolved there still is no resolution to the parity issue and you have 5 teams with a legitimate chance to win and that’s it…how many fans do you think will come back? The answer is not many. Baseball is struggling to get fans now…it’ll be dead on arrival if the players get their way.

The last CBA it was not the players who decided not to play, it was the owners who locked them out. Bc they know most people (like you) will just reflexively blame the players anyway.

In any labor struggle, the labor deserves a fair slice of the revenue. If they have to shut down production to get it they still deserve solidarity from other workers.

So the question is do you feel more solidarity with labor or with bosses, who can absolutely afford to pay them more but choose not to and will gladly let them shut down production to avoid doing so.

When 3Dender talks about a fair slice of the pie for “the labor”, what he means is the whole pie because he is a communist and believes nobody should have more money or live more comfortably than “the working man”.

In this case “the working man” is at a minimum making 10 x the average American yearly, and at a maximum (at this time) making about 1,000 times the average American salary.

So spare me the “this is a victory for labor” crud.

[Goldfan]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

Totally agree that Manfred is a stooge. That said, painting Harper as some heroic figure in this is just as unproductive. Flat out saying the players are willing to lose an entire year so they can continue to inflate salaries is basically an eff you to the fans. Let’s say there IS a lockout and then when it is finally resolved there still is no resolution to the parity issue and you have 5 teams with a legitimate chance to win and that’s it…how many fans do you think will come back? The answer is not many. Baseball is struggling to get fans now…it’ll be dead on arrival if the players get their way.

The last CBA it was not the players who decided not to play, it was the owners who locked them out. Bc they know most people (like you) will just reflexively blame the players anyway.

In any labor struggle, the labor deserves a fair slice of the revenue. If they have to shut down production to get it they still deserve solidarity from other workers.

So the question is do you feel more solidarity with labor or with bosses, who can absolutely afford to pay them more but choose not to and will gladly let them shut down production to avoid doing so.

When 3Dender talks about a fair slice of the pie for “the labor”, what he means is the whole pie because he is a communist and believes nobody should have more money or live more comfortably than “the working man”.

In this case “the working man” is at a minimum making 10 x the average American yearly, and at a maximum (at this time) making about 1,000 times the average American salary.

So spare me the “this is a victory for labor” crud.

It might be better for owners like poor old BDW to shutter Busch and keep his Billions, where would the “Laborers” go? Laboring in Japan, Korea, perhaps the Mexican league??

[alw80]

Screw Harper. Never liked him. Always felt he was a blowhard.

I feel little sympathy for the owners. ALL of them can spend as much as they like. I feel like we need both a salary cap AND floor.

Bob Nuttig shouldn't be able to put a AAAA team on the field every year. Los Angeles shouldn't be able to run the table with free agency, either.

There needs to be parity. The lack of it is what will kill the game.

Parity sucks.

[3dender]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

Totally agree that Manfred is a stooge. That said, painting Harper as some heroic figure in this is just as unproductive. Flat out saying the players are willing to lose an entire year so they can continue to inflate salaries is basically an eff you to the fans. Let’s say there IS a lockout and then when it is finally resolved there still is no resolution to the parity issue and you have 5 teams with a legitimate chance to win and that’s it…how many fans do you think will come back? The answer is not many. Baseball is struggling to get fans now…it’ll be dead on arrival if the players get their way.

The last CBA it was not the players who decided not to play, it was the owners who locked them out. Bc they know most people (like you) will just reflexively blame the players anyway.

In any labor struggle, the labor deserves a fair slice of the revenue. If they have to shut down production to get it they still deserve solidarity from other workers.

So the question is do you feel more solidarity with labor or with bosses, who can absolutely afford to pay them more but choose not to and will gladly let them shut down production to avoid doing so.

When 3Dender talks about a fair slice of the pie for “the labor”, what he means is the whole pie because he is a communist and believes nobody should have more money or live more comfortably than “the working man”.

In this case “the working man” is at a minimum making 10 x the average American yearly, and at a maximum (at this time) making about 1,000 times the average American salary.

So spare me the “this is a victory for labor” crud.

When you talk about it you somehow omit the disparity of the wealth between players and owners, and the shrinking percentage of revenue that players get for a product that they are about 90% responsible for producing.

How about a hypothetical, let's say the players went on strike and the owners replaced them with AAA scabs. Then the striking players created their own league and started playing around college and minor league stadiums. Which league do you think would sell more tickets?

[blackinkbiz]

Y'all are a bunch of bootlickers... Harper's a badass for doing that and he's absolutely right.

Manfred's a weasel for trying to sway the next CBA directly with the players, outside of negotiations, and Harper was 100% right to call him out and kick him tf out of their space.

You do realize if the current CBA were to continue without a floor/cap/rev sharing the Dodgers, being in one of the largest and most profitable markets, aren't going to feel sorry for other teams. They'll just keep spending and winning as many championships as they can because their stock will just keep going up and up and up.

You have a false premise, assuming that spending is linked to metro size. SD is the 18th biggest metro area, behind Tampa, Minneapolis, SF, Seattle, Detroit. Miami is 5th and Phoenix is 10th. Yet somehow they have a top 5 payroll...

All owners can afford to spend. But they don't bc they know they can turn chumps like you against the big spenders instead of their own stingy owners.

Who said anything about metro size; I said market size. The Dodgers bring in more revenue than any other team in baseball and they share a lot of it so of course other teams could spend more. But because they can doesn't mean they currently have to.

Hence the need for all 3 as I originally said floor/cap/rev sharing. It's the only way to create parody in MLB.

I don't know what the h*ll you're even talking about but you're being a jack*ss so kick rocks, beotch.

[ForumPolice]

I'm good with a 3 year lockout. I wonder if players are

[gtriever]

[fork] Bryce Harper.