JJ Wetherholt hitting the cover off the ball in Memphis-2 HR's yesterday-Is he a more athletic Prime Don Mattingly

[Goldfan]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

I completely get the redundancy argument, but trading Winn eliminates the redundancy at SS. It's awesome that JJ might be able to stick at SS, and according to Keith Law maybe even be an average defender there. But as soon as you trade Winn you're one JJ injury away from scrambling to find a SS.

Again, that's a risk I'm willing to take for the right return, but I also love the idea of having a Winn and JJ middle infield with additional players that can play 2B if JJ has to slide over to SS.

Let’s hope this new management group knows what they are doing.

An aboriginal emerging from the Australian Outback would be more accomplished at running a MLB team than the 3 stooges we’ve had
Our MO either does nothing or makes the most obvious wrong decision possible and then nurtures, cares, and baby’s it for 4-5 yrs

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

I completely get the redundancy argument, but trading Winn eliminates the redundancy at SS. It's awesome that JJ might be able to stick at SS, and according to Keith Law maybe even be an average defender there. But as soon as you trade Winn you're one JJ injury away from scrambling to find a SS.

Again, that's a risk I'm willing to take for the right return, but I also love the idea of having a Winn and JJ middle infield with additional players that can play 2B if JJ has to slide over to SS.

Let’s hope this new management group knows what they are doing.

An aboriginal emerging from the Australian Outback would be more accomplished at running a MLB team than the 3 stooges we’ve had
Our MO either does nothing or makes the most obvious wrong decision possible and then nurtures, cares, and baby’s it for 4-5 yrs

Doesn’t he grow mushrooms for a hobby?

[butsir01]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

I completely get the redundancy argument, but trading Winn eliminates the redundancy at SS. It's awesome that JJ might be able to stick at SS, and according to Keith Law maybe even be an average defender there. But as soon as you trade Winn you're one JJ injury away from scrambling to find a SS.

Again, that's a risk I'm willing to take for the right return, but I also love the idea of having a Winn and JJ middle infield with additional players that can play 2B if JJ has to slide over to SS.

Let’s hope this new management group knows what they are doing.

An aboriginal emerging from the Australian Outback would be more accomplished at running a MLB team than the 3 stooges we’ve had
Our MO either does nothing or makes the most obvious wrong decision possible and then nurtures, cares, and baby’s it for 4-5 yrs

Doesn’t he grow mushrooms for a hobby?

In his ears.

[Ozziesfan41]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

But why trade a guy gold glove caliber shortstop to make room for a guy most scouts don’t think will stick at short and the others think if everything works out he can be an average shortstop? If he doesn’t work out at short like a lot of scouts don’t think he will then you end up with a guy like Fermin or Kozma at short

[Cusecards]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

But why trade a guy gold glove caliber shortstop to make room for a guy most scouts don’t think will stick at short and the others think if everything works out he can be an average shortstop? If he doesn’t work out at short like a lot of scouts don’t think he will then you end up with a guy like Fermin or Kozma at short

Thank you!!
The only way I deal Winn is if it somehow brings them a young cost controlled TOR starter.
And since I don’t see any of them being mentioned at the deadline case closed.

[redbirdfan51]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I’d rather have the two of them up the middle

The future is is the 3 W's Winn SS, Wetherholt 2B, and Walker RF Herrera and Scott could well be added to that trio. The Cards also have some really nice catching talent in the minors. Hopefully McGreevey, Doyle , Lib or one of Matthews or Roby will be the future starters.

[scoutyjones2]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

I completely get the redundancy argument, but trading Winn eliminates the redundancy at SS. It's awesome that JJ might be able to stick at SS, and according to Keith Law maybe even be an average defender there. But as soon as you trade Winn you're one JJ injury away from scrambling to find a SS.

Again, that's a risk I'm willing to take for the right return, but I also love the idea of having a Winn and JJ middle infield with additional players that can play 2B if JJ has to slide over to SS.

Winn gets knee surgery. You're now down to whom at SS?

[scoutyjones2]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

But why trade a guy gold glove caliber shortstop to make room for a guy most scouts don’t think will stick at short and the others think if everything works out he can be an average shortstop? If he doesn’t work out at short like a lot of scouts don’t think he will then you end up with a guy like Fermin or Kozma at short

What GG shortstop?

How bout an Adames type SS? Hits, steals bases and plays solid defense? Hits in the upper part of your batting order?


“I'm definitely below where I want to be and below where I thought I was going to be,” Winn said while refusing to accept being a solid player on a Cardinals club clawing to stay in the playoff race. “I'm still out there. Obviously, defensively, it's been really good, but from the offensive side, it hasn't been as good as I would have wanted.”

[JDW]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

I completely get the redundancy argument, but trading Winn eliminates the redundancy at SS. It's awesome that JJ might be able to stick at SS, and according to Keith Law maybe even be an average defender there. But as soon as you trade Winn you're one JJ injury away from scrambling to find a SS.

Again, that's a risk I'm willing to take for the right return, but I also love the idea of having a Winn and JJ middle infield with additional players that can play 2B if JJ has to slide over to SS.

Winn gets knee surgery. You're now down to whom at SS?

If Winn goes on the IL, Wetherholt and Fermin possibly share SS.
Trade Winn and if JJW goes on the IL, Fermin and Saggese are your SS.

[Ozziesfan41]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

But why trade a guy gold glove caliber shortstop to make room for a guy most scouts don’t think will stick at short and the others think if everything works out he can be an average shortstop? If he doesn’t work out at short like a lot of scouts don’t think he will then you end up with a guy like Fermin or Kozma at short

What GG shortstop?

How bout an Adames type SS? Hits, steals bases and plays solid defense? Hits in the upper part of your batting order?


“I'm definitely below where I want to be and below where I thought I was going to be,” Winn said while refusing to accept being a solid player on a Cardinals club clawing to stay in the playoff race. “I'm still out there. Obviously, defensively, it's been really good, but from the offensive side, it hasn't been as good as I would have wanted.”

Just because Scouty doesn’t recognize winns defense doesn’t mean scouts analysts and players don’t recognize it and I already explained why because a lot of scouts don’t think he will be able to stick at short they don’t and those that think best case scenario he might stick and be an average defender. I personally would prefer an above average short stop in Winn and an above average average second baseman in JJ which a lot of scouts think he would be. Your pipe dream of him sticking at short stop most likely ends up with JJ being moved to second and a Fermin or Kozma type at short stop but you’ve made your feelings very clear about Winn since he first came up so kind of pointless to debate about it

[scoutyjones2]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

yup, because JJ doesn't have leg issues of his own

oh... wait..

lol no kidding he conveniently forgets JJs hamstring issues which are the reason he fell so low in the draft and already landed him on the IL this season but wants to take shots at Winn about his injuries

Lie. He hasn't had any injury as a Cardinal

[craviduce]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

yup, because JJ doesn't have leg issues of his own

oh... wait..

lol no kidding he conveniently forgets JJs hamstring issues which are the reason he fell so low in the draft and already landed him on the IL this season but wants to take shots at Winn about his injuries

Lie. He hasn't had any injury as a Cardinal

he had a virus...knocked him on his butt for a 1 week, and it took another 3 or 4 days to get his energy back and be cleared to play.

[scoutyjones2]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

yup, because JJ doesn't have leg issues of his own

oh... wait..

lol no kidding he conveniently forgets JJs hamstring issues which are the reason he fell so low in the draft and already landed him on the IL this season but wants to take shots at Winn about his injuries

Lie. He hasn't had any injury as a Cardinal

he had a virus...knocked him on his butt for a 1 week, and it took another 3 or 4 days to get his energy back and be cleared to play.

Like I said, he hasn't been injured. Never on the IL

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Makes Winn expendable in a trade

I like this.

What do you like about it?

Note: I'm firmly in the camp that nobody is ever off limits, any player can be moved at any time for the right trade. That being said, Winn is young, cost controlled, plays a premium position, and isn't even in his prime yet. Maybe Wetherholt can stick at SS in the majors. But we still need a 2B, which is another premium position. Does Gorman stick there? Does he even hit enough to warrant being a regular starter (he could also move to 1B or 3B if we could move some veterans). You also have Donovan (who can move around) but he's a FA soon and would also bring a nice haul in a trade. Players below that level, like Saggese don't factor into my decision to move Winn.

I might move Winn if we got a stud CF who is cost controlled in return, but I don't know who that player is or if their organization desperately needs a SS. You're not getting Merrill, Julio, or PCA for Winn. Would you trade Winn for Ceddanne Rafaela or Wyatt Langford? I might move Winn for a big corner bat, but again, hard to find the right fit there for a trade.

You always want redundancy at premium positions so if someone is willing to overpay you jump on it. Having a player who can deliver at a premium position like JJ is excellent. The more capable SS’s the better.

In no scenario does it make sense for someone to NOT want JJ to be capable of replacing him.

But why trade a guy gold glove caliber shortstop to make room for a guy most scouts don’t think will stick at short and the others think if everything works out he can be an average shortstop? If he doesn’t work out at short like a lot of scouts don’t think he will then you end up with a guy like Fermin or Kozma at short

I’m just saying if someone knocks your socks off, it makes it that much more feasible.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Look, this JJ at SS opens up the door for Winn to be traded is crazy talk. Okay, sure, anyone is available for the right deal, and maybe you move him if you can get a bat at a premium position, but it's not happening. Having Winn and Wetherholt up the middle for the next however many years will be awesome. I think that's enough.

Back to JJ hitting the cover off the ball, it's nice seeing that the power is really starting to come on. He didn't show much power the first few months of the season, but it's really starting to come on lately. I know it's Memphis and Springfield, but still.

I was a bit cautious at the beginning of the year about rushing him to the majors, but I think he absolutely has to see major league time this year at this point. Just don't give up a year of control, so whenever you can call him up without having to give up that control, call him up right after that. It's time now, honestly, but this team is going nowhere and there's not much point in losing a year of control.

[Bully4you]

He's the brightest star we've got right now.
With the team in shambles, this is great news.
Hoping to see this kid by mid-August.
Maybe sooner.

https://redbirdrants.com/triple-a-provi ... huge-night

He reminds me of Chase Utley!

The centerpiece C. Bloom will re-build the Cardinals around.

If we have another Chase Utley, we struck gold
I am so hopeful.
We need some good luck with prospects for a change.
Also, Liam Doyle is high on my expectations.
Please, no more duds.