Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:03 pm
Get on your knees for Mo-ran ..you're have to wait your turn behind the other front office (donkey) kissers buttercup!
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Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:05 pm
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:08 pm
If u think the problems he caused in Colorado were bad if they benched him it would take it to a whole new level he would roast the cardinals tell the media that the cardinals threatened him to get him to waive his no trade clause that of course would go over very well with the players union and of course players would avoid St. Louis like the plague because they know they don’t honor no trade clauses. So yea dumbest thing possible to doMelville wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:48 pmVeteran players are benched all the time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:28 pmlol that’s the dumbest thing the cardinals could do and the dumbest thing you could have possibly suggested on how to handle the situationMelville wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:08 pmActually, that is EXACTLY what you say if you are a true leader, because that is precisely what is in the best interest of the team.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 09:22 amStop. You don’t say that stuff to maybe a future HoF still with an Ace glove.
What you get or give up in Arenado will not be replaced by a hitter with a better average, and certainly no better D.
He will get traded, as a contender who has a great staff but lacks depth nfield defense will see his value to the over arching construction of a team.
STL holds 100% of the leverage and needs only the willingness to use it.
FACT is, N/A needs to e traded far more than STL needs to trade him.
One, he is fading rapidly and is quickly running out of time to have meaningful participation in the post-season.
He could easily be out of baseball at the end of 2027 - and he knows it.
Two, outside of his Gold Glove, N/A does not have a HOF resume.
Sitting on 351 HR. 1907 hits, 1174 RBI, 985 runs.
Obviously, he wants to pad those stats - particularly since HOF voters will apply to Coors penalty.
Bottom line:
'Take the trade or take the bench".
Period.
Very, very easy to trade him (again).
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Heck, the Yankees did it with LeMahieu - who was having about the same level of season as N/A.
When he complained, they released him.
He is guaranteed 15M this season and next.
That is what leadership looks like.
Not hard, really.
STL is in a similar situation with N/A - but they have far more leverage than NY did.
All they lacks is the guts to do the right thing.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:09 pm
WLTFE wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:05 pmGet on your knees for Mo-ran ..you're have to wait your turn behind the other front office (donkey) kissers buttercup!
Like I said same stupid shtick. Keep paying for those season tickets Dewitt supporter!Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:11 pm
Keep being a whiney (buzz)! Put me on ignore you front office (donkey) kisser!riff raff wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:09 pmWLTFE wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:05 pmGet on your knees for Mo-ran ..you're have to wait your turn behind the other front office (donkey) kissers buttercup!
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:16 pm
So, let me get this straight. Mo lied to Arenado about building a winning team around him, and Arenado is so upset, he'd rather invoke his NTC than go to a team that actually is trying to win? It seems more plausible that if a team has interest in him, and he says no, he doesn't care that much about winning.Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 22:35 pm Funny how this works. It would appear that NA is comfortable in StL. He has a no trade clause. He likely was told some things by the Cards regarding their will to win that simply weren’t true (that has been the speculation). They now want a favor from him. Kick rocks, Moe. I’d jerk their chain for a long time.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 15:50 pm
The Cards are not going to tell Nado - "accept the trade or else no PT." Please. How often have you seen the Cards do that? I've been following since 1964 and don't remember it in STL, especially with a player with whom they negotiated an NTC.
It could be more subtle, e.g., that they need to play Gorman and others more at 3b for the future, but even that would have had a seed sown weeks ago, which is when Mo should have approached him. Malfeasance. And what happens if he refuses a trade - they bench him and follow through and play Gorman - and it's the disaster we know it will be?? He knows he'd be back at 3b in a few weeks.
This concept that the Cards have all the leverage is seriously flawed, as it was when he refused a trade, as was his right.
It could be more subtle, e.g., that they need to play Gorman and others more at 3b for the future, but even that would have had a seed sown weeks ago, which is when Mo should have approached him. Malfeasance. And what happens if he refuses a trade - they bench him and follow through and play Gorman - and it's the disaster we know it will be?? He knows he'd be back at 3b in a few weeks.
This concept that the Cards have all the leverage is seriously flawed, as it was when he refused a trade, as was his right.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 16:02 pm
Has there been a high profile starter who has fallen on their (bleep) with years left on contract?ClassicO wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:50 pm The Cards are not going to tell Nado - "accept the trade or else no PT." Please. How often have you seen the Cards do that? I've been following since 1964 and don't remember it in STL, especially with a player with whom they negotiated an NTC.
It could be more subtle, e.g., that they need to play Gorman and others more at 3b for the future, but even that would have had a seed sown weeks ago, which is when Mo should have approached him. Malfeasance. And what happens if he refuses a trade - they bench him and follow through and play Gorman - and it's the disaster we know it will be?? He knows he'd be back at 3b in a few weeks.
This concept that the Cards have all the leverage is seriously flawed, as it was when he refused a trade, as was his right.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 16:53 pm
They've had players who should have been traded, but kept playing them until the end, like Fowler, PDJ, Carp, etc.Goldfan wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 16:02 pmHas there been a high profile starter who has fallen on their (bleep) with years left on contract?ClassicO wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:50 pm The Cards are not going to tell Nado - "accept the trade or else no PT." Please. How often have you seen the Cards do that? I've been following since 1964 and don't remember it in STL, especially with a player with whom they negotiated an NTC.
It could be more subtle, e.g., that they need to play Gorman and others more at 3b for the future, but even that would have had a seed sown weeks ago, which is when Mo should have approached him. Malfeasance. And what happens if he refuses a trade - they bench him and follow through and play Gorman - and it's the disaster we know it will be?? He knows he'd be back at 3b in a few weeks.
This concept that the Cards have all the leverage is seriously flawed, as it was when he refused a trade, as was his right.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 16:58 pm
Chris DavisGoldfan wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 16:02 pmHas there been a high profile starter who has fallen on their (bleep) with years left on contract?ClassicO wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:50 pm The Cards are not going to tell Nado - "accept the trade or else no PT." Please. How often have you seen the Cards do that? I've been following since 1964 and don't remember it in STL, especially with a player with whom they negotiated an NTC.
It could be more subtle, e.g., that they need to play Gorman and others more at 3b for the future, but even that would have had a seed sown weeks ago, which is when Mo should have approached him. Malfeasance. And what happens if he refuses a trade - they bench him and follow through and play Gorman - and it's the disaster we know it will be?? He knows he'd be back at 3b in a few weeks.
This concept that the Cards have all the leverage is seriously flawed, as it was when he refused a trade, as was his right.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 17:19 pm
We'll never know and I'm 100% guessing that the subtle approach would haveClassicO wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:50 pm The Cards are not going to tell Nado - "accept the trade or else no PT." Please. How often have you seen the Cards do that? I've been following since 1964 and don't remember it in STL, especially with a player with whom they negotiated an NTC.
It could be more subtle, e.g., that they need to play Gorman and others more at 3b for the future, but even that would have had a seed sown weeks ago, which is when Mo should have approached him. Malfeasance. And what happens if he refuses a trade - they bench him and follow through and play Gorman - and it's the disaster we know it will be?? He knows he'd be back at 3b in a few weeks.
This concept that the Cards have all the leverage is seriously flawed, as it was when he refused a trade, as was his right.
made an impact on NA decision. Would he have had more urgency if he lost some
comfort?
Nolan says he wants championships. No reason to debate that. He also has been on track
for a legacy career, HOF. IF it a known, a fact presented that his PT will
be impacted this season, IF he repeats 2023 and 2024,season, not this 26th man POV just PT impacted does he
stay comfortable in St. Louis or accept Houston where he might be happier today?
His leverage decreases if he wants those 2 things.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 17:23 pm
Teams: we need a 3rd baseman! We're desperate!
Cardinals: we will give you Arenado
Teams: oh, yeah we aren't that desperate
Cardinals: we will give you Arenado
Teams: oh, yeah we aren't that desperate
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 18:01 pm
Arenado has lost a lot of his power but he's still middle-of-the-pack offensively among 3bmen and he still has his fielding chops. I wish fans would quit acting as if his presence fouls the air when he takes the field. He's not MVP level anymore but he's not dogmeat either. Some people can't talk about improving the club without demeaning the players. They need to grow up.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 18:44 pm
'...a club that has a long history of holding onto players who are well, well past their prime..."45s wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:52 pmYou are referencing a club that has a long history of holding onto players who are well, well past their prime…Melville wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:48 pmVeteran players are benched all the time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:28 pmlol that’s the dumbest thing the cardinals could do and the dumbest thing you could have possibly suggested on how to handle the situationMelville wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:08 pmActually, that is EXACTLY what you say if you are a true leader, because that is precisely what is in the best interest of the team.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 09:22 amStop. You don’t say that stuff to maybe a future HoF still with an Ace glove.
What you get or give up in Arenado will not be replaced by a hitter with a better average, and certainly no better D.
He will get traded, as a contender who has a great staff but lacks depth nfield defense will see his value to the over arching construction of a team.
STL holds 100% of the leverage and needs only the willingness to use it.
FACT is, N/A needs to e traded far more than STL needs to trade him.
One, he is fading rapidly and is quickly running out of time to have meaningful participation in the post-season.
He could easily be out of baseball at the end of 2027 - and he knows it.
Two, outside of his Gold Glove, N/A does not have a HOF resume.
Sitting on 351 HR. 1907 hits, 1174 RBI, 985 runs.
Obviously, he wants to pad those stats - particularly since HOF voters will apply to Coors penalty.
Bottom line:
'Take the trade or take the bench".
Period.
Very, very easy to trade him (again).
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Heck, the Yankees did it with LeMahieu - who was having about the same level of season as N/A.
When he complained, they released him.
He is guaranteed 15M this season and next.
That is what leadership looks like.
Not hard, really.
STL is in a similar situation with N/A - but they have far more leverage than NY did.
All they lacks is the guts to do the right thing.
They may well be planning the Arenado “farewell tour” already…
TOXIC CULTURE
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 18:50 pm
You are comparing apples to rotten eggs.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 15:08 pmIf u think the problems he caused in Colorado were bad if they benched him it would take it to a whole new level he would roast the cardinals tell the media that the cardinals threatened him to get him to waive his no trade clause that of course would go over very well with the players union and of course players would avoid St. Louis like the plague because they know they don’t honor no trade clauses. So yea dumbest thing possible to doMelville wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:48 pmVeteran players are benched all the time.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:28 pmlol that’s the dumbest thing the cardinals could do and the dumbest thing you could have possibly suggested on how to handle the situationMelville wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 14:08 pmActually, that is EXACTLY what you say if you are a true leader, because that is precisely what is in the best interest of the team.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 09:22 amStop. You don’t say that stuff to maybe a future HoF still with an Ace glove.
What you get or give up in Arenado will not be replaced by a hitter with a better average, and certainly no better D.
He will get traded, as a contender who has a great staff but lacks depth nfield defense will see his value to the over arching construction of a team.
STL holds 100% of the leverage and needs only the willingness to use it.
FACT is, N/A needs to e traded far more than STL needs to trade him.
One, he is fading rapidly and is quickly running out of time to have meaningful participation in the post-season.
He could easily be out of baseball at the end of 2027 - and he knows it.
Two, outside of his Gold Glove, N/A does not have a HOF resume.
Sitting on 351 HR. 1907 hits, 1174 RBI, 985 runs.
Obviously, he wants to pad those stats - particularly since HOF voters will apply to Coors penalty.
Bottom line:
'Take the trade or take the bench".
Period.
Very, very easy to trade him (again).
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
Heck, the Yankees did it with LeMahieu - who was having about the same level of season as N/A.
When he complained, they released him.
He is guaranteed 15M this season and next.
That is what leadership looks like.
Not hard, really.
STL is in a similar situation with N/A - but they have far more leverage than NY did.
All they lacks is the guts to do the right thing.
N/A was idolized in CO.
He has burned through nearly all of his goodwill in STL.
The vast majority of fans want him gone or benched.
Nor would the union care one bit if he was benched.
Players get benched all the time.
Union only cares that they get paid.
As for FA's, the same is true.
Dumping N/A will not concern a single one of them.
Not now.
Not in the future.
Re: MO to meet with Nado
Posted: 22 Jul 2025 18:58 pm
Arenado is not an upgrade over durbin. Durbin has hit better than arenado- .732 ops vs .689 and durbin has also been a very good defender at + 6 defensive runs saved so its not like arenado has a huge advamtage there to make up for the hitting.ramfandan wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 22:43 pmNot so sure nobody wants him . If Cardinals pick up substantial amount of salary (which they would obviously need to ) , there could be suitors.
One team that was NOT on his trade list of contending type teams this past offseason was the Milwaukee Brewers. If Suarez doesn't go there , I would not put it past Brewers to make a play for Nado. They seek an upgrade for their 3rd base spot. Nado would be that .
Problem is would Mo trade Nado within the division ? Rarely does that happen .
One attractive thing for MO is that Milwaukee has a very good farm system. Could be something there that Mo/Bloom may want to get if offered
The brewers have am abysmal bench and durbin can play other positions si arenado would increase depth and they move durbin around in case of other injuries, but i just camt see them giving up much at all- especially within division for him