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Posted: **10 Jun 2025 18:08 pm**

I'm not ready to freak out regarding Helsley just yet, but this is why you don't go extending relievers long term into their 30s.

Posted: **10 Jun 2025 18:36 pm**

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 16:48 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 16:13 pm
ramfandan wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:56 am Helsley has 13 saves of his 18 opportunities. Only 4 N.L closers have more saves.
Of the closers in baseball available , he still will have suitors at the deadline.
He is also tied for the national league lead in blown saves he may have suitors but they wont be offering much for him
I think you are dead wrong. He still has great value.

My suggestion?
Package Helsley and Noot for real lead-off hitter.
There are at least two playoff teams who need a left fielder and a closer.
Name them.

How many teams have more than one "real lead off hitter". Why would they be hunting for a rental and willing to give up their "real lead off hitter".

Posted: **10 Jun 2025 19:44 pm**

Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What was the offer they should have taken?
Don’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.

Based on the Williams trade, I don’t believe the offers were good.

Posted: **10 Jun 2025 20:40 pm**

kyace wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 13:34 pm Cards didn’t trade Helsley or Fedde this off-season as they never listened for offers on them. From what I read numerous GM’s expressed frustrations over that and were surprised. However Mo made his priorities clear that Arenado was his primary focus.

you read that all these gms were supposedly mad man y'all say anything when things that you want to happen don't and vice versa lol

You think a gm didn't listen to offers that's his job. They at least LISTEN or entertain every offer just to see if it's an offer they can't refuse in all likelihood

Posted: **10 Jun 2025 20:54 pm**

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 18:08 pm I'm not ready to freak out regarding Helsley just yet, but this is why you don't go extending relievers long term into their 30s.

That’s why a lot of “us” wanted to trade him even for lower level guys.

Posted: **10 Jun 2025 21:00 pm**

Handsomebachelor wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 20:40 pm
kyace wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 13:34 pm Cards didn’t trade Helsley or Fedde this off-season as they never listened for offers on them. From what I read numerous GM’s expressed frustrations over that and were surprised. However Mo made his priorities clear that Arenado was his primary focus.
you read that all these gms were supposedly mad man y'all say anything when things that you want to happen don't and vice versa lol

You think a gm didn't listen to offers that's his job. They at least LISTEN or entertain every offer just to see if it's an offer they can't refuse in all likelihood

LOL
Yes I believe MO hung up on everyone who tried to call and talk.
Also....I called his office number and his recording said....”If you’re calling about Nolan Arenado please leave a message after the beep”!

Posted: **15 Aug 2025 20:24 pm**

the real fans knew in June....

Posted: **15 Aug 2025 20:27 pm**

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 19:44 pm
Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What was the offer they should have taken?
Don’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.
Based on the Williams trade, I don’t believe the offers were good.

Yea because they got so much after helsley had a down year lol and Fedde yea no way they could have got more for him in the off season. Woo even said other baseball executives were shocked Mo and company didn’t want to trade helsley in the offseason

Posted: **15 Aug 2025 20:59 pm**

Konstantinov wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:24 pm the real fans knew in June....

The smart fans knew in the offseason

Posted: **15 Aug 2025 21:12 pm**

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:27 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 19:44 pm
Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What was the offer they should have taken?
Don’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.
Based on the Williams trade, I don’t believe the offers were good.
Yea because they got so much after helsley had a down year lol and Fedde yea no way they could have got more for him in the off season. Woo even said other baseball executives were shocked Mo and company didn’t want to trade helsley in the offseason

He has a rule about never trading high.

Posted: **16 Aug 2025 03:12 am**

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:27 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 19:44 pm
Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What was the offer they should have taken?
Don’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.
Based on the Williams trade, I don’t believe the offers were good.
Yea because they got so much after helsley had a down year lol and Fedde yea no way they could have got more for him in the off season. Woo even said other baseball executives were shocked Mo and company didn’t want to trade helsley in the offseason

Mo never commits fully. A proper commit would have been finding an offer Arenado would accept and selling high on Fedde and Helsley. They will have to eat most of Arenado's salary now, they got nothing for Fedde and Helsley didnt improve his value. worst thing about it is the team did it all just to likely miss the playoffs again.

Posted: **16 Aug 2025 07:19 am**

In the could have been worse category, at least they traded him before the deadline. Thankful for that.

Posted: **16 Aug 2025 07:21 am**

So has Maton.

Posted: **16 Aug 2025 08:03 am**

RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 03:12 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:27 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 19:44 pm
Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What was the offer they should have taken?
Don’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.
Based on the Williams trade, I don’t believe the offers were good.
Yea because they got so much after helsley had a down year lol and Fedde yea no way they could have got more for him in the off season. Woo even said other baseball executives were shocked Mo and company didn’t want to trade helsley in the offseason
Mo never commits fully. A proper commit would have been finding an offer Arenado would accept and selling high on Fedde and Helsley. They will have to eat most of Arenado's salary now, they got nothing for Fedde and Helsley didnt improve his value. worst thing about it is the team did it all just to likely miss the playoffs again.

A basic case of Mo being Mo? Very possible.

Or, a situation where Dewitt II or Dewitt III ordered him not to sell off Helsley (especially) or Fedde? After all, w/o Helsley's mlb-leading 2024 effort, StL would have arguably been a sub-.500 team. Fans appreciated that notion, and if he were traded asap, how might it affect fan perceptions, i.e., ticket sales, for 25?

Posted: **16 Aug 2025 08:06 am**

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 08:03 am
RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 03:12 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:27 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 19:44 pm
Horseradish wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:26 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:19 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:16 pm Should have been traded in the offseason at peak value easy obvious correct
What was the offer they should have taken?
Don’t be obtuse, you know there were trades to be made if they tried.
Based on the Williams trade, I don’t believe the offers were good.
Yea because they got so much after helsley had a down year lol and Fedde yea no way they could have got more for him in the off season. Woo even said other baseball executives were shocked Mo and company didn’t want to trade helsley in the offseason
Mo never commits fully. A proper commit would have been finding an offer Arenado would accept and selling high on Fedde and Helsley. They will have to eat most of Arenado's salary now, they got nothing for Fedde and Helsley didnt improve his value. worst thing about it is the team did it all just to likely miss the playoffs again.
A basic case of Mo being Mo? Very possible.

Or, a situation where Dewitt II or Dewitt III ordered him not to sell off Helsley (especially) or Fedde? After all, w/o Helsley's mlb-leading 2024 effort, StL would have arguably been a sub-.500 team. Fans appreciated that notion, and if he were traded asap, how might it affect fan perceptions, i.e., ticket sales, for 25?

That’s a valid point. Sell the popular closer prior to a reset season might tank the gates.

Posted: **16 Aug 2025 08:31 am**

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:59 pm
Konstantinov wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 20:24 pm the real fans knew in June....

The smart fans knew in the offseason

The genius fans knew seven years ago when he was brought up.

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