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An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:42 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:18 pm Frustrating to not have given him at least another start or two.

There’s no reason to. They need to use those starts for guys competing for major league jobs.

Correct.
Those arms need to be built up, and command of pitches established, in preparation for opening day.
That is where the innings need to go.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:42 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:18 pm Frustrating to not have given him at least another start or two.

There’s no reason to. They need to use those starts for guys competing for major league jobs.

Agreed. Mathews already proved everything I might have hoped. Optimal is to see him pitch effectively in Memphis before bringing him up IMO. I think Mathews is in the majors for good whenever he arrives. What is the hurry?

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

I would like to see him pitch some more before committing. He's not some average pitcher who has a chance to make it, he seems much more than that, and he isn't "young" 24 is more than acceptable for your first time up.

They are resetting and want to get young guys up to play, per Moe....

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:08 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:05 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

Why would either of them get bounced from the rotation?

Gray, Fedde, McGreevey, Pallante and Matthews

I guess you can pretend Miles Mikolas doesn’t exist if you want.

If you are trying to win, it would be insane to start him

If you are trying to go young, it would be insane to start him

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 07:32 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

I would like to see him pitch some more before committing. He's not some average pitcher who has a chance to make it, he seems much more than that, and he isn't "young" 24 is more than acceptable for your first time up.

They are resetting and want to get young guys up to play, per Moe....

You didn’t answer my question. McGreevy made what, like 51 starts in AAA?

Should Mathews move ahead of him after 4, 3 of which were bad?

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:01 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:08 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:05 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

Why would either of them get bounced from the rotation?

Gray, Fedde, McGreevey, Pallante and Matthews

I guess you can pretend Miles Mikolas doesn’t exist if you want.

If you are trying to win, it would be insane to start him

If you are trying to go young, it would be insane to start him

Ok, so your entire argument is based on them dumping Mikolas.

What indication do you have that this is in the realm of their thinking?

An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:15 am

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:01 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:08 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:05 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

Why would either of them get bounced from the rotation?

Gray, Fedde, McGreevey, Pallante and Matthews

I guess you can pretend Miles Mikolas doesn’t exist if you want.

If you are trying to win, it would be insane to start him

If you are trying to go young, it would be insane to start him

Ok, so your entire argument is based on them dumping Mikolas.

What indication do you have that this is in the realm of their thinking?

Why can't he be a long reliever and spot starter?

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:22 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:15 am

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:01 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:08 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 21:05 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

Why would either of them get bounced from the rotation?

Gray, Fedde, McGreevey, Pallante and Matthews

I guess you can pretend Miles Mikolas doesn’t exist if you want.

If you are trying to win, it would be insane to start him

If you are trying to go young, it would be insane to start him

Ok, so your entire argument is based on them dumping Mikolas.

What indication do you have that this is in the realm of their thinking?

Why can't he be a long reliever and spot starter?

That should be Matz.

If Mikolas got bumped, I’d rather see Liberatore get that spot.

I’ve seen no indication that they’d consider going to Mikolas with that.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:14 am

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 07:32 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 20:03 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 19:19 pm

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:57 pm He's only 24 years old... far too young to bring up

They are reverting back to their old ways. 25 or forget it.

If you are of the feeling that he should be in the rotation, who are you bouncing for him, Pallante or McGreevy, and why? Where are you sending them, AAA?

I would like to see him pitch some more before committing. He's not some average pitcher who has a chance to make it, he seems much more than that, and he isn't "young" 24 is more than acceptable for your first time up.

They are resetting and want to get young guys up to play, per Moe....

You didn’t answer my question. McGreevy made what, like 51 starts in AAA?

Should Mathews move ahead of him after 4, 3 of which were bad?

I think you’re taking the whole “earn it” thing to a whole new level.

McGreevy had a 9 ERA at his first A ball go around. He had a 4.64 ERA at his first AA go around, 4.49 ERA his first AAA go around. And because of all of that and his AAA ERA of 4.24 he’s had to make 51 AAA starts. His minor league K/9 is 7.6 with 9.8 H/9. Mathews is at 12.7 and 5.7. He showed no problems at any level until AAA, which was only 4 starts and at the end of the season.

He was never going to start the season in the rotation anyway they gave him a taste then sent him down as they should have

Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?

The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?

Some might send him down, some might bring him north. Mariners have great SP and George Kirby, Logan Miller, and Bryce Miller combined for 2 AAA starts or half of what Mathews already has. Spencer Strider made one AAA appearance in relief before getting the call to the MLB. Braves also had Spencer Schwellenbach skip AAA altogether. It’s not a one size fits all thing.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:54 am

The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?

Some might send him down, some might bring him north. Mariners have great SP and George Kirby, Logan Miller, and Bryce Miller combined for 2 AAA starts or half of what Mathews already has. Spencer Strider made one AAA appearance in relief before getting the call to the MLB. Braves also had Spencer Schwellenbach skip AAA altogether. It’s not a one size fits all thing.

Mathews would likely be in the Braves starting rotation on opening day '25.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:25 am

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:22 am
Why can't he be a long reliever and spot starter?

That should be Matz.

If Mikolas got bumped, I’d rather see Liberatore get that spot.

I’ve seen no indication that they’d consider going to Mikolas with that.

That's the difference between you and me.
I think for myself and what they should do.

Of course they will start Mikolas. They are are insane. They've been making insane decisions for years.

Shady wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 12:11 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:54 am

The Nard wrote: ↑03 Mar 2025 11:41 am Ask yourselves this question: what would most other teams do - send him down or bring him north?

Some might send him down, some might bring him north. Mariners have great SP and George Kirby, Logan Miller, and Bryce Miller combined for 2 AAA starts or half of what Mathews already has. Spencer Strider made one AAA appearance in relief before getting the call to the MLB. Braves also had Spencer Schwellenbach skip AAA altogether. It’s not a one size fits all thing.

Mathews would likely be in the Braves starting rotation on opening day '25.

100%

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:46 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:42 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025 12:18 pm Frustrating to not have given him at least another start or two.

There’s no reason to. They need to use those starts for guys competing for major league jobs.

Bu11 [redacted]. We still have no names with zero chance like svanson and 29 yo C Taylor getting innings yesterday.

And Matthews absolutely has a chance to see the MLB this season, maybe even before the break. That's what competing is supposed to look like.

He's not making the team out of ST there's no need for him to keep making appearances when they have other guys to make decisions on. This is a totally normal move to make.