Logan Mailloux is coming!!

[MiamiLaw]

Just purely observational, but when the brass would mention prospects, Bolduc was always secondary or not mentioned. Do not feel they valued him as high as some think. Not sure why.

I 100% think they soured on him before his second half and he couldn’t dig out of it. Many here were too.

[dhsux]

C'mon it's your opinion but you are over the top here.

We didn't get worse due to the fact that our 3rd pairing RHD was going to be either Kessell or Leddy. Mailloux being in the 3rd pair instantly makes our defense better due to his offensive potential and skating.

Jack, it seems you and I rarely agree on anything but I like how we can usually do it without being disagreeable so let me start off by saying that. First I would agree that Kessel and Mallioux is probably a toss up as to which is better at the position. This isn't shade being thrown either way its just acknowledgement that Kessel seems to have a very low ceiling and Mallioux hasn't proven anything yet. I assume your not a fan of Leddy, I honestly think we really just disagree completely here and we won't find common ground here. I don't see Leddy as being anything more then an ultra steady defender who is good at the transition. He isn't flashy but he has a track record and he is someone who can be trusted to give steady defense. That track record makes him altogether different from a guy who has played 8 games and has a -5 +/-. To be clear it means there isn't enough to say what Logan is or will be. So Leddy definitely belongs, Logan not so much.. yet.

Snuggerud will shoot every bit as much as Bolduc did, and one of our other top prospects will replace Bolduc.

We didn't lose an all star here. Bolduc has shown tremendous promise, so did Jim Carrey.

This to me is waaaayyy off base. We did lose a heck of a shot. Will he be replaced? I don't know honestly by whom your referring to. I want to call your attention to the fact that when our post season ended both were playing meaningful minutes and both were weapons the opposition had to monitor. You just subtracted one of those weapons and for what? You subtracted it for a guy who hasn't played enough NHL minutes, whom your talking about playing in the third pairing, and whom most people aren't really saying much about other then he is tall, plays right, and has a right handed shot. Yeah, not impressed at all with that one for one trade. The best guy on paper when to the Habs, the guy has second line potential at least as I stated to you specifically before, and you traded that one for one for a guy who plays right D, is tall, and is unproven although yes he also has some potential against AHL opponents. What potential that is in the NHL, who knows because he hasn't played enough. So this means we get all the risk. This isn't way off base, this is just a fact.

My problem with this deal Jack, isn't that Logan doesn't have upside. He does and I will be honest about that. My problem is there is no world where what we gave up shouldn't have brought in more. Its really just that simple. IF they weren't willing you don't do the deal. You look for other deals and you wait patiently until you get one that respects your assets enough to pay appropriately for them.

Did you ever think that maybe our coaching staff might have seen something with Bolduc that they didn’t like? Something that they view as a long term problem and that maybe because of that, it wasn’t quite as hard to give the player up?

I take your point but more so the other way.

I take the point on what the staff sees in JM.

For all of us it appears they gave up a lot. The question remaining is what did they get.

Only time will tell for both of them. Bolduc as you suggest but just as importantly, Mailloux.

Everyone assumes Mailloux was on the bottom of the Habs D prospects. That may not be the case at all.

I am certainly concerned but for right now I'll go with DA & Company over the internet and fans of both teams.

[theograce]

Just purely observational, but when the brass would mention prospects, Bolduc was always secondary or not mentioned. Do not feel they valued him as high as some think. Not sure why.

I 100% think they soured on him before his second half and he couldn’t dig out of it. Many here were too.

“I want to improve on all these details in my game and playing a physical game is a part of my DNA.”

Habs fans are going to love this guy

[rezero]

Its odd how we have elevated Bolduc so high.

"We"?

He received votes for the Calder against ridiculous competition.

Yep he did for sure im just saying Bolducs pro hockey success has come in a very short window, short data set. Virtually 2-3 months of scoring in pro hockey I was trying to point out hes not a lock for success yet.

He put up 50 goals and 110pts in just 60 games in the QMJHL the year before. He was the top 2 prospects in that league and had a +53 and rated as the top defensive forward. I think he is a lock.

People can discuss it all day long, but we made a serious overpay for Maillioux.

[theograce]

Its odd how we have elevated Bolduc so high.

"We"?

He received votes for the Calder against ridiculous competition.

Yep he did for sure im just saying Bolducs pro hockey success has come in a very short window, short data set. Virtually 2-3 months of scoring in pro hockey I was trying to point out hes not a lock for success yet.

He put up 50 goals and 110pts in just 60 games in the QMJHL the year before. He was the top 2 prospects in that league and had a +53 and rated as the top defensive forward. I think he is a lock.

People can discuss it all day long, but we made a serious overpay for Maillioux.

Not only that, but people were calling out the Blues for improper development well before this trade. He’s a little wrecking ball with a motor and guys don’t like it

https://thehockeywriters.com/st-louis-b ... velopment/

[theograce]

Boldy gonna light up lil Jimmy Snuggles when they meet

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/4Kl1bwb9Xo4

[SameOldBlues]

Welp, after Ive had a day or so to let this trade completely set in, and after thinkin about all of the ramifications of what we had to give up to get Mailloux… It’s become quite obvious that…

I LOVE THIS TRADE EVEN MORE THAN YESTERDAY!

Cant wait to watch Mailloux patrolling the blue line in the years to come and enjoying him clearing the crease and knocking intruders on their azzez when they try screening our goalies, and enjoying his howitzer from the point and elsewhere as he racks up the goals n assists. BRING IT!

[rezero]

Welp, after Ive had a day or so to let this trade completely set in, and after thinkin about all of the ramifications of what we had to give up to get Mailloux… It’s become quite obvious that…

I LOVE THIS TRADE EVEN MORE THAN YESTERDAY!

Cant wait to watch Mailloux patrolling the blue line in the years to come and enjoying him clearing the crease and knocking intruders on their azzez when they try screening our goalies, and enjoying his howitzer from the point and elsewhere as he racks up the goals n assists. BRING IT!

Not sure he will make the team. His hockey IQ is that bad at times.

[SameOldBlues]

Welp, after Ive had a day or so to let this trade completely set in, and after thinkin about all of the ramifications of what we had to give up to get Mailloux… It’s become quite obvious that…

I LOVE THIS TRADE EVEN MORE THAN YESTERDAY!

Cant wait to watch Mailloux patrolling the blue line in the years to come and enjoying him clearing the crease and knocking intruders on their azzez when they try screening our goalies, and enjoying his howitzer from the point and elsewhere as he racks up the goals n assists. BRING IT!

Not sure he will make the team. His hockey IQ is that bad at times.

Ive already answered that supposed criticism, not playing Ring Around The Rosies with his detractors…everyone has a right to their opinion, and time’s gonna show if he’s legit, and Ill bet he proves it in spades

[DoneLurking]

By all accounts, the Blues talked to the Canadiens quite a bit over the last few days. I'm sure they did some background on the kid and how he's moved past his issues. I hate that there's baggage but I would guess the team is comfortable that he has learned and grown from it.

Will be interesting to see if Army addresses it when they hold the press conference.

The baggae kinda makes him a shtty punk teen, but ive known plenty of punk teens when i was growing up that i know did similar but just werent caught or charged.

He didnt assault anyone. Taking secrez nudes during sex than sharing them to brag to teammates is a little slimy, but he pled guilty, paid the fine and did his community service, is no longer a teen and probably learned better and is past age of sharing pics of woman with buddies, and has had no issues since.

I don’t think the argument that other people do the same thing and don’t get caught paints Mailloux in any better light.

His very public efforts to show growth after the incident do.

Have seen this argument elsewhere in this thread. The presence of other people doing the same (bleep) thing in the world doesn’t make the activity any less (bleep) because some get caught and others don’t.

I choose to focus on his growth and atonement, but that’s just me.

[TheJackBurton]

C'mon it's your opinion but you are over the top here.

We didn't get worse due to the fact that our 3rd pairing RHD was going to be either Kessell or Leddy. Mailloux being in the 3rd pair instantly makes our defense better due to his offensive potential and skating.

Jack, it seems you and I rarely agree on anything but I like how we can usually do it without being disagreeable so let me start off by saying that. First I would agree that Kessel and Mallioux is probably a toss up as to which is better at the position. This isn't shade being thrown either way its just acknowledgement that Kessel seems to have a very low ceiling and Mallioux hasn't proven anything yet. I assume your not a fan of Leddy, I honestly think we really just disagree completely here and we won't find common ground here. I don't see Leddy as being anything more then an ultra steady defender who is good at the transition. He isn't flashy but he has a track record and he is someone who can be trusted to give steady defense. That track record makes him altogether different from a guy who has played 8 games and has a -5 +/-. To be clear it means there isn't enough to say what Logan is or will be. So Leddy definitely belongs, Logan not so much.. yet.

I hadn't paid attention but you may be right about us not agreeing much, however, yes I always appreciate you and everyone who keeps it civil. It might get heated, as people with strong opinions can get, but I always enjoy the conversation. I appreciate the back and forth and I want to keep it that way.

I don't dislike Leddy, and if we hadn't made a single move and he was our 3rd line right dman I wouldn't have been thrilled but I wouldn't have been upset either. Having a natural righty who has the pedigree to be at least a top 4, who is only 22, who has ripped it up in the minors, is 6'3" and 215 and loves hitting is what we've been begging for though. This is exactly the guy we were lamenting not having just a week ago, and now we have him.

They had the writer from the Atlantic in Montreal on 101 today and he spoke incredibly glowingly about Mailloux especially about his offense. Stated he had an elite shot, fantastic speed, great first pass, and great offensive instincts. He also pointed out that his defense absolutely needs work that right now his defense is below average. However, on the 3rd pairing he won't face many tough matchups, he'll be getting about 14 minutes a game, many of those probably in the offensive zone. He did state he's an extremely hard worker and that bodes well especially with the vets and the coaching we have. Now I understand a reporter wasn't going to come onto the local station and rip the kid apart but he certainly didn't seem like he was exaggerating either. All we can do is wait and see, but I see the team as better today that it was on Monday because we potentially have a great defenseman in our ranks who will very likely be partnered with Broberg before the end of the season and they will be partners for the next decade or more.

Snuggerud will shoot every bit as much as Bolduc did, and one of our other top prospects will replace Bolduc.

We didn't lose an all star here. Bolduc has shown tremendous promise, so did Jim Carrey.

This to me is waaaayyy off base. We did lose a heck of a shot. Will he be replaced? I don't know honestly by whom your referring to. I want to call your attention to the fact that when our post season ended both were playing meaningful minutes and both were weapons the opposition had to monitor. You just subtracted one of those weapons and for what? You subtracted it for a guy who hasn't played enough NHL minutes, whom your talking about playing in the third pairing, and whom most people aren't really saying much about other then he is tall, plays right, and has a right handed shot. Yeah, not impressed at all with that one for one trade. The best guy on paper when to the Habs, the guy has second line potential at least as I stated to you specifically before, and you traded that one for one for a guy who plays right D, is tall, and is unproven although yes he also has some potential against AHL opponents. What potential that is in the NHL, who knows because he hasn't played enough. So this means we get all the risk. This isn't way off base, this is just a fact.

My problem with this deal Jack, isn't that Logan doesn't have upside. He does and I will be honest about that. My problem is there is no world where what we gave up shouldn't have brought in more. Its really just that simple. IF they weren't willing you don't do the deal. You look for other deals and you wait patiently until you get one that respects your assets enough to pay appropriately for them.

What else do you think we should have gotten? The most that would have been tacked on might have been a draft pick or a mid prospect and that's about it. We didn't have anything else Montreal wanted because they didn't want prospects they wanted a young scoring winger with some games and productivity under his belt.

Yes Bolduc has a great shot and I wish Kyrou had Bolducs instinct to fire the puck once he gets over the blue line, but alas Kyrou likes the assist as much as the goal so c'est la vie. Snuggerud though has an elite shot and showed it last year and showed he isn't remotely afraid to shoot at anytime.

He'll occupy the one timer slot and will make our PP much better hitting one timers from Thomas. We have at least 2 of our top prospects banging at the door in Dvorsky and Stenberg.

The thing we also have to keep in mind is the salary cap. We were not only never going to be able to play all these guys but we also weren't going to be able to pay them all either. Now we get a younger player in that position who won't need to get paid for at least 2 more seasons which allows contracts to expire and to spread the money out better.

I hope that Bolduc has a great season, I expect Mailloux will surprise a lot of people and by the end of the year most of us will be going "Yep I get it"

[DawgDad]

Blues defense (as of today):
6'5" 228 Parayko
6'4" 212 Broberg
6'3" 213 Mailloux
6'2" 210 Fowler
6'2" 205 Kessel
6'1" 204 Tucker
6'0" 214 Faulk

[theograce]

Blues defense (as of today):
6'5" 228 Parayko
6'4" 212 Broberg
6'3" 213 Mailloux
6'2" 210 Fowler
6'2" 205 Kessel
6'1" 204 Tucker
6'0" 214 Faulk

Armstrong is following trends. He’s gone through his small puck moving dmen phase and trying to join the cool kids club again.

Good job

[Sweet Jones]

Blues defense (as of today):
6'5" 228 Parayko
6'4" 212 Broberg
6'3" 213 Mailloux
6'2" 210 Fowler
6'2" 205 Kessel
6'1" 204 Tucker
6'0" 214 Faulk

[MandatoryDenial]

What else do you think we should have gotten?

Jack that is the point, if value isn't there you don't make a trade. I am not advocating one player or another. What I am saying is this, you don't help any other team out. It feels like we helped the Habs in a big way. We needed to get more then what we got. If that means draft picks, then fine get more future value for the franchise. If that is a body to help you, then fine that is also an option. What I don't see as ever an option is getting less then optimal amounts for your trade chips. That is what we did as of right this moment and that is what I have a problem with. If it was up to me we wouldn't have done anything at all.

I hope that Bolduc has a great season, I expect Mailloux will surprise a lot of people and by the end of the year most of us will be going "Yep I get it"

On this we agree. I hope this turns out to be a Shanahan/Pronger deal where both teams are greatly helped with what they need.

[stryker16]

What else do you think we should have gotten?

Jack that is the point, if value isn't there you don't make a trade. I am not advocating one player or another. What I am saying is this, you don't help any other team out. It feels like we helped the Habs in a big way. We needed to get more then what we got. If that means draft picks, then fine get more future value for the franchise. If that is a body to help you, then fine that is also an option. What I don't see as ever an option is getting less then optimal amounts for your trade chips. That is what we did as of right this moment and that is what I have a problem with. If it was up to me we wouldn't have done anything at all.

That’s the problem though. You are inferring the value wasn't there in this deal. Based on what? Your opinion? Twitter’s opinion? Army is far from infallible he makes mistakes but one thing I am confident in is that he believes the value is there in every trade he does. In this case there is value in both players based on 1)actual production at various levels 2)the position they play, the scarcity of said position relative to other positions, the abundance of replacement level players within each organization, etc

Army went after the very guy that facilitated this trade (Dobson) as then Montreal had too many RD (a rare problem to have) and from all accounts there was nothing he could do to get him, he wanted to go to Montreal…is that Army’s fault somehow?