Nootbar….????!!!!

[Melville]

For his own sake, maybe a change of scenery would be best.
The Cards’ having only Church and NV left as true outfielders does raise my angst about the rest of this season.

Do you believe it is possible the team would be better defensively, better offensively, and better on the bases if Baez and Scott were on the roster and part of the outfield mix - rather than Lars?

[Cardinals1964]

Just curious. Which outfielders on the Cardinals team are better than Noot besides Walker?
Church is batting .125 with .219 slugging and .383 OPS. in July.
He’s .198 .250 .319 .569 since the start of June. He should be joining Scott 2 and Gorman in the minors.

My intent is not to pick on Church, but I wanna know who are our better outfielders than Nootbar right now?

For what it’s worth I hope they trade them too. But, me wanting a trade and me being able to tell you who our three outfielders should be is another story.

I think all that many of us are saying is that he should not be part of the future, and that's why he should be traded.

I’ll agree with that. But I keep reading how he sucks.

Well, he does kinda suck for a corner OF. 3 HRs and 15 RBIs in 153 PAs to go with a .714 OPS isn't exactly great while hitting MOTO.

And he’s better than Church.

[Cardinals1964]

Just curious. Which outfielders on the Cardinals team are better than Noot besides Walker?
Church is batting .125 with .219 slugging and .383 OPS. in July.
He’s .198 .250 .319 .569 since the start of June. He should be joining Scott 2 and Gorman in the minors.

My intent is not to pick on Church, but I wanna know who are our better outfielders than Nootbar right now?

For what it’s worth I hope they trade them too. But, me wanting a trade and me being able to tell you who our three outfielders should be is another story.

I think all that many of us are saying is that he should not be part of the future, and that's why he should be traded.

I’ll agree with that. But I keep reading how he sucks.

Because, in fact, he does.

What does that make Church? Who’s a better OF than Noot besides Walker on this team?

[JuanAgosto]

Just curious. Which outfielders on the Cardinals team are better than Noot besides Walker?
Church is batting .125 with .219 slugging and .383 OPS. in July.
He’s .198 .250 .319 .569 since the start of June. He should be joining Scott 2 and Gorman in the minors.

My intent is not to pick on Church, but I wanna know who are our better outfielders than Nootbar right now?

For what it’s worth I hope they trade them too. But, me wanting a trade and me being able to tell you who our three outfielders should be is another story.

I think all that many of us are saying is that he should not be part of the future, and that's why he should be traded.

I’ll agree with that. But I keep reading how he sucks.

He does suck. Do you even watch the games?

The biggest issue with Lars is the Cardinals are trying to make a middle of the order bat out of him, and that’s not who he is.
Noot always works counts and usually looks to draw a walk before getting a hit, so he should be in the first two spots or the last two spots in a batting order. He’s a table setter, but isn’t being used that way. Part of the reason is Marmol’s insistence on using the LRLRLR order.

I agree he is being misused. Another example of poor managing.

However, my reply to the other poster had more to do with his snide post.

[butsir01]

For his own sake, maybe a change of scenery would be best.
The Cards’ having only Church and NV left as true outfielders does raise my angst about the rest of this season.

Do you believe it is possible the team would be better defensively, better offensively, and better on the bases if Baez and Scott were on the roster and part of the outfield mix - rather than Lars?

I don’t have any faith in Scott’s bat or arm. He is a better defensive CFr than Lars, but I prefer the latter’s arm and bat, though neither bat should start. Scott’s lack of stolen bases, given his speed, has been puzzling. Is it because of lack of coaching, failure to study opposing pitchers, Oli’s refusal to give him the green light or a combination?

[JuanAgosto]

Just curious. Which outfielders on the Cardinals team are better than Noot besides Walker?
Church is batting .125 with .219 slugging and .383 OPS. in July.
He’s .198 .250 .319 .569 since the start of June. He should be joining Scott 2 and Gorman in the minors.

My intent is not to pick on Church, but I wanna know who are our better outfielders than Nootbar right now?

For what it’s worth I hope they trade them too. But, me wanting a trade and me being able to tell you who our three outfielders should be is another story.

I think all that many of us are saying is that he should not be part of the future, and that's why he should be traded.

I’ll agree with that. But I keep reading how he sucks.

Well, he does kinda suck for a corner OF. 3 HRs and 15 RBIs in 153 PAs to go with a .714 OPS isn't exactly great while hitting MOTO.

And he’s better than Church.

Icon clearly stated Nootbaar's numbers are weak for a corner outfielder. Church is primarily a CF now. CF is not a corner OF spot. Try reading before arguing.

[Cardinals1964]

Well, most of the reason he hasn’t scored many runs is because he hasn’t been able to stay on the field. He has had his moments, but every time he has played well, he comes down with a new injury. He has played in a long streak now without an injury, but he hasn’t really gotten it going either.
I still think there are a few teams that would have interest in him, but the return on him, by himself, might not be what people are expecting.
I’d like to see him bundled with, say May or JoJo, and another piece and maximize the return, even if it’s just one player.

We do agree that he cannot stay on the field.
Of the last 753 games from 2022-2026, he is zero-for-everything in the 243 games he did not play.
243 games with no hits, no runs, no RBI, and no outs record as a defender.
And those 243 games count every bit as much in his over-all performance as those for which somehow managed to show up.

That makes no sense.

[Cardinals1964]

Who thinks Noot sucks but Church deserves to be on the team? I’m not saying Noot is Barry Bonds but he’s better than Church.

[JuanAgosto]

Well, most of the reason he hasn’t scored many runs is because he hasn’t been able to stay on the field. He has had his moments, but every time he has played well, he comes down with a new injury. He has played in a long streak now without an injury, but he hasn’t really gotten it going either.
I still think there are a few teams that would have interest in him, but the return on him, by himself, might not be what people are expecting.
I’d like to see him bundled with, say May or JoJo, and another piece and maximize the return, even if it’s just one player.

We do agree that he cannot stay on the field.
Of the last 753 games from 2022-2026, he is zero-for-everything in the 243 games he did not play.
243 games with no hits, no runs, no RBI, and no outs record as a defender.
And those 243 games count every bit as much in his over-all performance as those for which somehow managed to show up.

That makes no sense.

Sure it does. 243 games (a season and a half), in which Lars Nootbaar has provided nothing. Nothing! Just multiple IL stints. Noot has been neutered!

[Chitownredbird]

Noot should be leading off. And if L-R ditto along with pen means one and done is on Oli’s, it has to be this way, why not:

Noot
Ivan
JJ
Walker
Burly
Jordan
Crooks or DH when Ivan C
Winn
Church

I know it’s not ideal since neither of our best hitters is guaranteed to hit in the first but I’m trying to make the best of Oli world.