Proposed Kyrou trade to CBJ

[noted]

Per Michael Whitaker of Clutch Points.

He wonders if there is a match for Kyrou for the Columbus first round pick at 14.

It would be good for the Blues, Kyrou and Columbus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/2- ... 2121&ei=30

I’m only interested if that was somehow involved in a 3-way trade to either move up in the draft or pluck a young Center prospect in the vein of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein.

The hope in moving a Kyrou is a player like Stenberg, Kaskimaki, or Carbonneau can replace that 2021/22-thru-2024/25 offensive production Kyrou brought. How quickly we forget how good JK was in 2024/25 until he got Stanley-Steamrolled in Game 1.

The Blues can likely replace his 2025/26 production w/Drouin+Stenberg, but that still has the squad out if the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Ideally, the Blues are retaining a resurgent Kyrou & and maturing Stenberg and replacing a Drouin w/Kas and/or Carbonneau

Scenario 1

• Holloway - Thomas - Snuggerud

• Buch - Offseason 2C - Kyrou

• Neighbors - Suter - Dvorsky

• Carbs/Kas - Finley - O Stenberg

Kas/Carbs, Berggren, Torpedo, Aussie

Scenario 2

• Holloway - Thomas - Snuggerud

• Buch - Suter - Kyrou

• Neighbors - Dvorsky - O Stenberg

• Carbs/Kas - Offseason Prospect C - Berggren/Torpedo

Kas/Carbs, Finley, Torp/Berggren, Aussie

I understand that’s a bit of a cluster-eff, because the Scenario 1 plan is to expedite the on-ice product for possible Round 2 playoff contention + Dvorsky’s, Stenberg’s and either Kas/Carbs development and Scenario 2 is more focused on player-development and potential Wild Card 2 contention.

I feel Scenario 1 likely has a Carbonneau in AHL for the beginning of the season if promote Kaskimaki, whereas Scenario 2 would have both on the team getting meaningful Bottom-6 minutes.

You need a reality check if you think you are getting a prospect the caliber of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein for Jordan Kyrou…

Let’s play a game… point out to me where I said that?

You said "I’m only interested if that was somehow involved in a 3-way trade to either move up in the draft or pluck a young Center prospect in the vein of Desnoyers, Iginla, or O’Brein." This was referring to trading Kyrou. The only center prospect in this year's draft that is in those guys ilk is Malhotra. Kyrou is not getting you the draft pick it would be required to draft Malhotra even if you included #11. He's not getting past #4. Tor, SJ, Van, and Chi are not moving out of those spots for Kyrou and #11.

[Bluesfan1978]

I would trade Kyrou to whatever team he would approve off and gives the Blues the best return. A 14-15 first round pick would probably be the minimum I would need to get in return and if it was the best offer I'd make that deal.

[LGB73]

Look at what they got for Faulk and for Schenn. I would expect more!! Kyrou is just now entering his prime years. So a proven 30+ goal scorer for a pocket full of hope? No way, Jose.

The only thing Kyrou has proven is that he's a soft one dimensional player that gives infrequent effort. He may or may not be a 30 goal scorer going forward because he didn't even come close to sniffing it this year. If someone wants to give us a first rounder in the top half of this draft, I'd call it a win to move him. His lack of commitment and effort is exactly what I don't want in a player.

[wiscrev]

Am I the only poster left that wants the Blues to stay the course and even add to the youth movement?
It seems most of the talk is about adding veteran players.
I'm not looking to add expensive players that are on, or near the back 9 of their careers.

Im right there with ya. I actually want to groom our own stars abd have a long contention window, seems like most around here couldn’t care less about winning and just want a couple over the hill stars from other teams and would be happy as hell with some more 1990’s first round exits. BUT AT LEAST WE HAD A CHANCE..derp.

Veterans that are 26 are very different than veterans that are 30.

If they trade Kyrou they need a player that is ready now not a player that is ready in 3 years but thats a 23-25 year old with term not a 27-29 year old.

If you trade Kyrou and acquire that pick, now you have 4 first rounders. You don’t think you have enough capital to acquire that player?
Blues also have a free asset in Dube that can probably come in and replace Kyrou’s production right now

Dube isn't replacing Kyrou's production. He's at best a 3rd liner and more likely a 4th liner.


Wouldn't the comment "end up with a player ready now" cover your scenario?

Please…Dube can easily score 18 goals in the NHL next season

His history in the NHL doesn't scream easy 18 goal scorer..

Kyrou had a down year last season that's not his norm, the Blues need a 30 goal 60-70 point player and Dube isn't that.. Kyrou has proven he is.

The only thing Kyrou has proven is that he is not a consistent player. He can't drive a line. His forechecking is nonexistent. Let him go elsewhere and it will be addition by subtraction.

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[BluesDom]

The Blues do not need more mid-1st draft picks or young prospects. If Kyrou is traded, the return should be NHL-ready talent. This proposed trade would be a salary dump for the Blues, which makes no sense since the free agent pool is bleak.

Oh yes but they do, especially if they have their eyes on movin up. The Blues should trade him for #14 straight up in a heartbeat, unfortunately I doubt Columbus would.

In what world is an unproven/unknown 17 or 18 year old equal to a 70 pt player who has scored 30+ goals.
Kyrou for the 14th is useless. We need NHL players--dont need prospects or picks. Too crowded already. Need to package prospects and picks for proven good player.

[wiscrev]

Possibly move up with picks 11&15 and then you have pick 14 to use.

[BluesDom]

Possibly move up with picks 11&15 and then you have pick 14 to use.

What do you do with Ralph, Fischer, Jiricek, Lindstein, Stenberg, Carbonneau, Pekarcik, Kaskimaki, Buchinger, Gaudette.
Plus other picks. Blues dont need so may pics. Not enough space. They do need to start trading prospects and picks to solidify second line center or backup goalie,

[LGB73]

Possibly move up with picks 11&15 and then you have pick 14 to use.

What do you do with Ralph, Fischer, Jiricek, Lindstein, Stenberg, Carbonneau, Pekarcik, Kaskimaki, Buchinger, Gaudette.
Plus other picks. Blues dont need so may pics. Not enough space. They do need to start trading prospects and picks to solidify second line center or backup goalie,

Ralph, Fischer, Pekarcik, Kaskimaki, Buchinger, Gaudette may never play a full season in the NHL. None of them are top end prospects although we certainly should hope 2-3 of them work out. Hell one of them could turn out to be an all star for all we know but they're still long shots to be regulars at this point.

Jiricek, Lindstein, Stenberg and Carbonneau look like the guys you would think have some staying power, but even with these guys they're not guaranteed locks to be top 6/top 4 guys for the next 6 years. We need a C, RD and at least another W in this category of players(not the one above) before I think we have too many prospects.

[hockey jedi]

I'm fine with the pick. Like Tim said (Pierre McGuire), Dube could replace Kyrou's 25-26 production, plus I believe Carboneau will make the Blues next year. If we can't get #14 for Kyrou, you make it happen. We have good prospects, but we can get more NHL-certainty by drafting in the first round. If you draft high enough in the first round, you cut down that time in the AHL. Kyrou is trending down. I would be okay with his scoring drop, but his moody play on the ice and high turnover rate are too much. He's a good player, but the word is out on him. I don't think he has more value than that, and he's not going to bring back more than that.

[Bluesfan1978]

Berggren could replace Kyrous 25-26 totals if he plays most of the season.

[Walter Sobchak00]

I'm fine with the pick. Like Tim said (Pierre McGuire), Dube could replace Kyrou's 25-26 production, plus I believe Carboneau will make the Blues next year. If we can't get #14 for Kyrou, you make it happen. We have good prospects, but we can get more NHL-certainty by drafting in the first round. If you draft high enough in the first round, you cut down that time in the AHL. Kyrou is trending down. I would be okay with his scoring drop, but his moody play on the ice and high turnover rate are too much. He's a good player, but the word is out on him. I don't think he has more value than that, and he's not going to bring back more than that.

Why is it assumed Dube could replicate the best season he ever had as a pro 4 seasons ago but Kyrou after 1 down year can never replicate his production?

[noted]

I'm fine with the pick. Like Tim said (Pierre McGuire), Dube could replace Kyrou's 25-26 production, plus I believe Carboneau will make the Blues next year. If we can't get #14 for Kyrou, you make it happen. We have good prospects, but we can get more NHL-certainty by drafting in the first round. If you draft high enough in the first round, you cut down that time in the AHL. Kyrou is trending down. I would be okay with his scoring drop, but his moody play on the ice and high turnover rate are too much. He's a good player, but the word is out on him. I don't think he has more value than that, and he's not going to bring back more than that.

Why is it assumed Dube could replicate the best season he ever had as a pro 4 seasons ago but Kyrou after 1 down year can never replicate his production?

Same reasons you continue to make excuses for Kyrou who is now 28 years old btw.

[zuck698]

Not sure if the articles writer is really that in tune with Kyrou the player?

"Kyrou would not only add size, but a scoring punch to a team badly looking to take the next step".

Maybe they get the scoring punch, but I am pretty sure the size aspect is pretty meaningless! If Kyrou had size to begin with, there is nothing that says he would be willing to use it.