Bloom on the course for this season

[TopofthePerch]

It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.

Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.

Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?

Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.

Ok, so your measure of success is only RBI’s. Not average, homeruns, or OBP.
RBi’s very much ch depend on other players accomplishments. Can’t expect a number 9 hitter to lead the team in RBI’s.
It’s your story, stick with it.

Mel- relies solely on RBI as a measure of productivity for a player's value and rages against WAR. What a joke. But - it fits his narrative.

RBI is heavily dependent on context, including: 1) teammates on base; 2) spot in the batting order; and 3) overall team offensive strength.

Here's where Nolan sets up in fWAR - his 0.3 is 8th among starters. He's tied for 7th with Pages in bWAR (also 0.3) among Cards' starters.
There is no question the ranking is correct insofar as the top 6 players listed. Walker has been most valuable; JJ second and so on. NO sane human would say that Gortman is in the top 6 of value on his own team.


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He is the biggest joke on this board and honestly a waste of time to talk to. He's more of a troll than anything. Literally 80 percent of the board can disagree with him and he would just miscalculate stats or intentionally leave things out to prove his b.s takes. He said how worthless the comp picks were and stated only 3 percent of players drafted make the show. The problem is those picks are between the second and third round. So they carry more value than the guys taken near the end stages.

[mattmitchl44]

If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.

Matt the ENTIRE point of a playing a MLB season >>>>>>TO WIN
But somehow you and Bloom don’t want to do that THIS season because it doesn’t follow some plan that you THINK might help you WIN in the future
And yet WINNING this YEAR won’t count because that PLAN hasn’t come to fruition…..
No one says you can’t keep stock piling your prospects but theres NOTHING saying a SP……who they never return top prospects at the deadline, so why everyone is so aghast when this mentioned is beyond me…..if Bloom is stupid enough to give up a top prospects then so be it.
Winning teams are special and if this one in ‘26 is showing that…..then help the process

When the trading deadline comes, they won't be able get anyone who can help significantly this season without giving up significant long term prospects. You have to give up a lot to get a lot.

And by the time July comes, I expect that it will be clear that, IF they were going to compete this year, they need to add two significant SPs and at least a couple of significant RPs. And that would cost a small fortune in prospect that they, rightly, won't be will to give up right now.

Matt. 1) You're right. 2) Goldfan is clueless.

He tries to make is sound easy - they can add all the pieces they need to compete this season while giving up third and fourth tier prospects to do so! They should compete this year!

[rockondlouie]

No big additions this season

I would, however expect Bloom is already searching the back alleys of MLB for some help in the pen'

[ronnie76]

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to take on a salary dump offer if they're still in contention at the deadline. However, no point in trading any high level prospects this year unless they're getting significant long term value in return.

[Goldfan]

If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.

Matt the ENTIRE point of a playing a MLB season >>>>>>TO WIN
But somehow you and Bloom don’t want to do that THIS season because it doesn’t follow some plan that you THINK might help you WIN in the future
And yet WINNING this YEAR won’t count because that PLAN hasn’t come to fruition…..
No one says you can’t keep stock piling your prospects but theres NOTHING saying a SP……who they never return top prospects at the deadline, so why everyone is so aghast when this mentioned is beyond me…..if Bloom is stupid enough to give up a top prospects then so be it.
Winning teams are special and if this one in ‘26 is showing that…..then help the process

When the trading deadline comes, they won't be able get anyone who can help significantly this season without giving up significant long term prospects. You have to give up a lot to get a lot.

And by the time July comes, I expect that it will be clear that, IF they were going to compete this year, they need to add two significant SPs and at least a couple of significant RPs. And that would cost a small fortune in prospect that they, rightly, won't be will to give up right now.

Matt. 1) You're right. 2) Goldfan is clueless.

Goldfan said in offseason that they needed a bat in OF(got it with JW) and a SP and this team would compete. They’re COMPETING….and could use a little more help
According to you 2…….the COMPETING couldn’t possibly be done until ‘28,’29……..when all the Bloom Farm Stars aligned….so please review appropriately before making your Clueless statements.

[Goldfan]

If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.

Matt the ENTIRE point of a playing a MLB season >>>>>>TO WIN
But somehow you and Bloom don’t want to do that THIS season because it doesn’t follow some plan that you THINK might help you WIN in the future
And yet WINNING this YEAR won’t count because that PLAN hasn’t come to fruition…..
No one says you can’t keep stock piling your prospects but theres NOTHING saying a SP……who they never return top prospects at the deadline, so why everyone is so aghast when this mentioned is beyond me…..if Bloom is stupid enough to give up a top prospects then so be it.
Winning teams are special and if this one in ‘26 is showing that…..then help the process

When the trading deadline comes, they won't be able get anyone who can help significantly this season without giving up significant long term prospects. You have to give up a lot to get a lot.

And by the time July comes, I expect that it will be clear that, IF they were going to compete this year, they need to add two significant SPs and at least a couple of significant RPs. And that would cost a small fortune in prospect that they, rightly, won't be will to give up right now.

Matt. 1) You're right. 2) Goldfan is clueless.

He tries to make is sound easy - they can add all the pieces they need to compete this season while giving up third and fourth tier prospects to do so! They should compete this year!

The Cardinals have trade MANY deadline SP in the last few years……and haven’t received much in return. With the excuse being that “did you expect to receive good prospects for a rental”….but now that this team may need one its “we can’t give up top prospects”. If we could never get top prospects……why would we have to give up top prospects??

[Cusecards]

Abdicating responsibility to win this season for HOPES of better chances in the future is stupid. This year might be that lightening in the bottle and every “perfect” year in the future could be disappointments. Is he here to win or write the script of some narrative in his head? No one saying trade away every viable prospect for a vet but making one move that could help push this team in to the playoffs shouldn’t be so easily dismissed the first of MAY. There are no guarantees with any of this. If 2026 is the Cards season then play to WIN

Someone misses Mo.

Well, he isn't happy unless he's complaining, so....makes sense.

I think he still eggs MO’s house periodically?

[JuanAgosto]

No big additions this season

I would, however expect Bloom is already searching the back alleys of MLB for some help in the pen'

Im fine with them not being buyers at the deadline. But I hope they dont sabotage a post season possibility by being sellers. This group would benefit from playoff experience even if it is short-lived. A sell-off would only create more animosity from the fans.

[Cusecards]

If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.

Agree
I would not expect significant moves until the offseason.
Makes sense as by then the progress of a number of higher ceiling prospects will be easier to evaluate before going outside the organization for help.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.

Careful. You'll trigger the Mo haters.

[Cardinals1964]

It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.

Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.

Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?

Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.

Ok, so your measure of success is only RBI’s. Not average, homeruns, or OBP.
RBi’s very much ch depend on other players accomplishments. Can’t expect a number 9 hitter to lead the team in RBI’s.
It’s your story, stick with it.

Mel- relies solely on RBI as a measure of productivity for a player's value and rages against WAR. What a joke. But - it fits his narrative.

RBI is heavily dependent on context, including: 1) teammates on base; 2) spot in the batting order; and 3) overall team offensive strength.

Here's where Nolan sets up in fWAR - his 0.3 is 8th among starters. He's tied for 7th with Pages in bWAR (also 0.3) among Cards' starters.
There is no question the ranking is correct insofar as the top 6 players listed. Walker has been most valuable; JJ second and so on. NO sane human would say that Gortman is in the top 6 of value on his own team.


Cards fWAR.png

“RBI is really dependent on runners being on base”……NO CHIT. Has analytics taken what little brain is left in some you and turned it to MUSH??
If the top of lineup has high OBP players……YES They’ll most likely BE ON BASE. Do they get to jog home anytime they feel like it???
OR DOES THE HITTER NEED TO DRIVE THEM HOME. AND IF HE DOES SO HE RECEIVES AN RBI. You goofballs act like he logs RBI by just standing at the plate. There are many who don’t drive in the runner and they don’t get RBI’s……WOW

Gorman is batting a whopping .231. With runners in scoring position and a .385 slugging. Nothing to brag about.

[rockondlouie]

No big additions this season

I would, however expect Bloom is already searching the back alleys of MLB for some help in the pen'

Im fine with them not being buyers at the deadline. But I hope they dont sabotage a post season possibility by being sellers. This group would benefit from playoff experience even if it is short-lived. A sell-off would only create more animosity from the fans.

Not my preference Juan but I'd bet they stick to the L-T plan restocking the system w/players that don't fit that plan and are sellers of one, two or more of May, Noot, JoJo and O'Brien.

[JuanAgosto]

No big additions this season

I would, however expect Bloom is already searching the back alleys of MLB for some help in the pen'

Im fine with them not being buyers at the deadline. But I hope they dont sabotage a post season possibility by being sellers. This group would benefit from playoff experience even if it is short-lived. A sell-off would only create more animosity from the fans.

Not my preference Juan but I'd bet they stick to the L-T plan restocking the system w/players that don't fit that plan and are sellers of one, two or more of May, Noot, JoJo and O'Brien.

I think its a mistake. They are already seeing diminished crowds. If people start showing up and the FO becomes sellers.....ouch. Many may take that as a slap in the face.

[Goldfan]

No big additions this season

I would, however expect Bloom is already searching the back alleys of MLB for some help in the pen'

Im fine with them not being buyers at the deadline. But I hope they dont sabotage a post season possibility by being sellers. This group would benefit from playoff experience even if it is short-lived. A sell-off would only create more animosity from the fans.

Not my preference Juan but I'd bet they stick to the L-T plan restocking the system w/players that don't fit that plan and are sellers of one, two or more of May, Noot, JoJo and O'Brien.

I think its a mistake. They are already seeing diminished crowds. If people start showing up and the FO becomes sellers.....ouch. Many may take that as a slap in the face.

Exactly, fans have been craving an entertaining winning team and perhaps they have one in ‘26 but BDW won’t help a PS push??
This will be the same MO Show we’ve seen before…..only now the excuse will be we can’t WIN NOW because our plan dictates we’ll try to WIN LATER….

[TheFantasyStud]

It’s Mo’s team. He hired Bloom. lol

[Talkin' Baseball]

No big additions this season

I would, however expect Bloom is already searching the back alleys of MLB for some help in the pen'

Im fine with them not being buyers at the deadline. But I hope they dont sabotage a post season possibility by being sellers. This group would benefit from playoff experience even if it is short-lived. A sell-off would only create more animosity from the fans.

Not my preference Juan but I'd bet they stick to the L-T plan restocking the system w/players that don't fit that plan and are sellers of one, two or more of May, Noot, JoJo and O'Brien.

I think its a mistake. They are already seeing diminished crowds. If people start showing up and the FO becomes sellers.....ouch. Many may take that as a slap in the face.

Exactly, fans have been craving an entertaining winning team and perhaps they have one in ‘26 but BDW won’t help a PS push??
This will be the same MO Show we’ve seen before…..only now the excuse will be we can’t WIN NOW because our plan dictates we’ll try to WIN LATER….

If I were in the front office, I wouldn't worry about that. If the allegiance of those fans is that tenuous, they were never your fans to begin with. You can go the extra mile to appease them today, but you can never go far enough, often enough to keep them appeased. Don't worry about it.