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Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: 05 May 2026 07:47 am Abdicating responsibility to win this season for HOPES of better chances in the future is stupid. This year might be that lightening in the bottle and every “perfect” year in the future could be disappointments. Is he here to win or write the script of some narrative in his head? No one saying trade away every viable prospect for a vet but making one move that could help push this team in to the playoffs shouldn’t be so easily dismissed the first of MAY. There are no guarantees with any of this. If 2026 is the Cards season then play to WIN
DeWitt will add a pending FA or two in July if the team is contending, if there is a pressing team need matching said pending FA's, and if he sees an opportunity to add tens of millions of dollars in revenue down the stretch and into October.
I know DeWitt better than his accounting firm knows DeWitt.
He, not Bloom, will make that decision.
Adding will happen. The need will have to be glaring. The return has to be young and able to fit into this core.

However I think that add will not be external or this deadline.

They are on a great course to success.
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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 05 May 2026 08:31 am
Goldfan wrote: 05 May 2026 07:47 am Abdicating responsibility to win this season for HOPES of better chances in the future is stupid. This year might be that lightening in the bottle and every “perfect” year in the future could be disappointments. Is he here to win or write the script of some narrative in his head? No one saying trade away every viable prospect for a vet but making one move that could help push this team in to the playoffs shouldn’t be so easily dismissed the first of MAY. There are no guarantees with any of this. If 2026 is the Cards season then play to WIN
Someone misses Mo.
Well, he isn't happy unless he's complaining, so....makes sense.
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Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:34 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?
Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.
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Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:42 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:34 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?
Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.

13th among 3rd baseman in OPS (.698) which is a testament to how well he's done driving in runs this season.

Get that closer to .800 and he'll really drive in some runs!
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Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:42 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:34 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?
Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.
Ok, so your measure of success is only RBI’s. Not average, homeruns, or OBP.
RBi’s very much ch depend on other players accomplishments. Can’t expect a number 9 hitter to lead the team in RBI’s.
It’s your story, stick with it.
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Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:42 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:34 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?
Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.
Mel, I dont know what Gorman winds up being. I see slow improvement over time. I don't believe it's a position they are looking to change directions In at the present time. He has an upside they are willing to gamble on.
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Chaim’s willingness and understanding to bring in Cef and the asst development director along with all the infrastructure and other development professionals is paying dividends.

This is the best thing he has done for this org. Bravo.
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Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:59 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:42 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:34 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?
Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.
Ok, so your measure of success is only RBI’s. Not average, homeruns, or OBP.
RBi’s very much ch depend on other players accomplishments. Can’t expect a number 9 hitter to lead the team in RBI’s.
It’s your story, stick with it.
Mel- relies solely on RBI as a measure of productivity for a player's value and rages against WAR. What a joke. But - it fits his narrative.

RBI is heavily dependent on context, including: 1) teammates on base; 2) spot in the batting order; and 3) overall team offensive strength.

Here's where Nolan sets up in fWAR - his 0.3 is 8th among starters. He's tied for 7th with Pages in bWAR (also 0.3) among Cards' starters.
There is no question the ranking is correct insofar as the top 6 players listed. Walker has been most valuable; JJ second and so on. NO sane human would say that Gortman is in the top 6 of value on his own team.

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Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman's 90 OPS+ and 83 wRC+ is the most productive 3B in MLB... what??? Other than being 1 RBI off the lead for 3B's how does that make any sense?

In fact, RBIs are the only offensive category he's beating Arenado on!
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If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.
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ClassicO wrote: 05 May 2026 09:28 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:59 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 08:42 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 05 May 2026 08:34 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Gorman is the most productive 3B in MLB? Where’d you come up with that one?
Last time I checked (2-3 days ago), Gorman led all MLB 3b'S in RBI despite being in the middle of the pack in PA's.
Factually, he has been more productive at driving in runs than any other 3b.
Let me check for an update before I click the "submit" button.....give me a minute....
Yep, still a 100% accurate statement.
He has 21 RBI - one behind Riley and Okamoto.
But they have 22 and 13 more PA's than Gorman does.
Factually, measured by RBI, he is the most productive 3B in MLB in 2026.
Ok, so your measure of success is only RBI’s. Not average, homeruns, or OBP.
RBi’s very much ch depend on other players accomplishments. Can’t expect a number 9 hitter to lead the team in RBI’s.
It’s your story, stick with it.
Mel- relies solely on RBI as a measure of productivity for a player's value and rages against WAR. What a joke. But - it fits his narrative.

RBI is heavily dependent on context, including: 1) teammates on base; 2) spot in the batting order; and 3) overall team offensive strength.

Here's where Nolan sets up in fWAR - his 0.3 is 8th among starters. He's tied for 7th with Pages in bWAR (also 0.3) among Cards' starters.
There is no question the ranking is correct insofar as the top 6 players listed. Walker has been most valuable; JJ second and so on. NO sane human would say that Gortman is in the top 6 of value on his own team.


Cards fWAR.png
“RBI is really dependent on runners being on base”……NO CHIT. Has analytics taken what little brain is left in some you and turned it to MUSH??
If the top of lineup has high OBP players……YES They’ll most likely BE ON BASE. Do they get to jog home anytime they feel like it???
OR DOES THE HITTER NEED TO DRIVE THEM HOME. AND IF HE DOES SO HE RECEIVES AN RBI. You goofballs act like he logs RBI by just standing at the plate. There are many who don’t drive in the runner and they don’t get RBI’s……WOW
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mattmitchl44 wrote: 05 May 2026 09:39 am If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.
Matt the ENTIRE point of a playing a MLB season >>>>>>TO WIN
But somehow you and Bloom don’t want to do that THIS season because it doesn’t follow some plan that you THINK might help you WIN in the future
And yet WINNING this YEAR won’t count because that PLAN hasn’t come to fruition…..
No one says you can’t keep stock piling your prospects but theres NOTHING saying a SP……who they never return top prospects at the deadline, so why everyone is so aghast when this mentioned is beyond me…..if Bloom is stupid enough to give up a top prospects then so be it.
Winning teams are special and if this one in ‘26 is showing that…..then help the process
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Goldfan wrote: 05 May 2026 10:19 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 05 May 2026 09:39 am If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.
Matt the ENTIRE point of a playing a MLB season >>>>>>TO WIN
But somehow you and Bloom don’t want to do that THIS season because it doesn’t follow some plan that you THINK might help you WIN in the future
And yet WINNING this YEAR won’t count because that PLAN hasn’t come to fruition…..
No one says you can’t keep stock piling your prospects but theres NOTHING saying a SP……who they never return top prospects at the deadline, so why everyone is so aghast when this mentioned is beyond me…..if Bloom is stupid enough to give up a top prospects then so be it.
Winning teams are special and if this one in ‘26 is showing that…..then help the process
When the trading deadline comes, they won't be able get anyone who can help significantly this season without giving up significant long term prospects. You have to give up a lot to get a lot.

And by the time July comes, I expect that it will be clear that, IF they were going to compete this year, they need to add two significant SPs and at least a couple of significant RPs. And that would cost a small fortune in prospect that they, rightly, won't be will to give up right now.
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OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 08:01 am
Melville wrote: 05 May 2026 07:55 am
OldRed wrote: 05 May 2026 07:27 am It was pointed out on a radio program yesterday that basically this is Mo's team developed from the minors. I thought it was an interesting thought.
Disagree.
Walker turned to corner this year by ignoring what Super Slo Mo and the coaching staff ordered him to do the last couple of years.
Gorman has become the most productive 3B in MLB because Bloom finally moved N/A out of the way.
Burleson, for the first time in his career, was assured a starting role and position (last season he was the 26th man to make the roster).
McGreevy, the ace of the staff, is no longer buried behind Mikolas.
Mootbaar - Mo's love affair for the previous 4 seasons - has not taken a single 2026 PA, which automatically made the team better.
Wetherholt has seized the leadoff role - which was a long-time black hole of rotating odd fitting pieces under Super Slo Mo.
Those are the factors which have turned things around.
Mo did not develop this team.
For many years, he undermined it.
Maybe not the team, but the players.

I have no problem with Mo being gone. But I believe you have to admit these were all players developed in the minors and drafted by Mo's people. It may have been clearing room for them to play, but that was going to happen anyway.
I’m with you on this. No one wants to admit Mozeliak assembled this team and coaching staff. All Bloom has done on his own was sign Urias and Stanek and drafted a reliever 5th overall.

Not saying I miss Mo either, it was time for change, but sick of all the Bloom nut riding. Now he’s being praised for an unwillingness to add anything to an all time low payroll, assuming they’re in contention at the deadline.
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mattmitchl44 wrote: 05 May 2026 10:40 am
Goldfan wrote: 05 May 2026 10:19 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 05 May 2026 09:39 am If they are still doing well in July, they might not sell some of their pieces (May, etc.), but they won't be significant buyers.
Matt the ENTIRE point of a playing a MLB season >>>>>>TO WIN
But somehow you and Bloom don’t want to do that THIS season because it doesn’t follow some plan that you THINK might help you WIN in the future
And yet WINNING this YEAR won’t count because that PLAN hasn’t come to fruition…..
No one says you can’t keep stock piling your prospects but theres NOTHING saying a SP……who they never return top prospects at the deadline, so why everyone is so aghast when this mentioned is beyond me…..if Bloom is stupid enough to give up a top prospects then so be it.
Winning teams are special and if this one in ‘26 is showing that…..then help the process
When the trading deadline comes, they won't be able get anyone who can help significantly this season without giving up significant long term prospects. You have to give up a lot to get a lot.

And by the time July comes, I expect that it will be clear that, IF they were going to compete this year, they need to add two significant SPs and at least a couple of significant RPs. And that would cost a small fortune in prospect that they, rightly, won't be will to give up right now.
Matt. 1) You're right. 2) Goldfan is clueless.
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After missing the post season for three seasons must on here we’re calling for change. And rightfully so!
Now we have significant change in the FO.
Moves are being made predominantly to get younger.
The Minor League System is growing in talent and appears to a top five system?
The team is competing but clearly still has holes/needs to fill.

So....what is the issue with WIN NOW???
We’re certain geniuses here expecting the rebuild/turnaround to be COMPLETED by May?