What is the MIN offer you would accept for Kyrou?

[BalotelliMassive]

All of this talk with be for nothing when he rejects the trade.

[rezero]

I think that we have to be prepared that when Kyrou (if) he is traded that he likely kicks it into gear and the trade doesn't look good in the near term.

….or long term. Trading a perennial 30 goal scorer is one of those decisions that doom an organization. Some posters on here just make no sense as he is now the 87th highest paid NHL player and drops 15 places further down the list every year. His contract is getting to the point where it pivots to be a very good deal based on comparable salaries and he is dead middle of his prime years.

[ManitobaBlues]

13 points in his last 10, and a +2, but yeah throw him out for a couple turnovers

Jordan Kyrou’s time in St. Louis is running out — and it’s his own inconsistency that put him there. The talent and speed are obvious, but the effort and urgency just aren’t there often enough. One hot stretch doesn’t erase long stretches of invisible hockey.

If he played with real intensity most nights, he’d be a star. Instead, you never know which version you’re getting. At this point, a trade feels less like an option and more like the inevitable outcome. A new team might light a fire under him — because it clearly hasn’t happened here.

The same can be said for most of this team. At least keep the guy that can put the puck in the net on a team almost dead last in scoring

I get what you’re saying — this isn’t a one-player problem, it’s a roster identity problem.

You absolutely can point to half the lineup and say the same thing. Singling out Jordan Kyrou like he’s the only inconsistent guy ignores the bigger picture with the St. Louis Blues. And no — the cupboard isn’t bare.

• Dalibor Dvorský has legit top-line scoring upside. His shot, hockey IQ, and ability to find space scream future 30–40 goal guy if development stays on track.

• Dylan Holloway has the speed, motor, and net-drive to hit 25–30 in the right role.

• Jimmy Snuggerud might have the purest scorer’s toolkit of the bunch — heavy shot, confidence, and power-play upside.

So yeah — the idea that the team would collapse without Kyrou is overstated.

• What Kyrou gives you: proven NHL production right now.

• What the prospects give you: cheaper, younger scoring with a timeline that fits a retool/rebuild.

If even ONE of those guys becomes a consistent 30-goal scorer, the loss is manageable. If two hit? The team might actually be better balanced long-term.

Bottom line:

• The Blues don’t *need* Kyrou to survive.

• They just need someone — anyone — to reliably replace his offense.

And you’re not crazy for thinking that help could already be in the pipeline.

[a smell of green grass]

Posters sure want a lot for guy they can't wait to be gone.
I will answer your question.
A late 1st round pick.

My feeling on it is that people don't want Kyrou gone as much as they want Kryou's contract gone. His play is not going to age well.

I also suspect that the trading partners are scared off by this too. It's one thing to take a 2-year flyer on a guy that needs a change of scenery. It's another to pick up a 5-year stick in the eye.

Has there ever been 1,2,3 players on the trading block simultaneously, each with 5-years remaining on their contract? Personally, I'd walk away from that roster. It would be akin to buying a "new car" with 8K miles on it, two owners.

So my guess is that the Blues won't be able to trade any of these long-termers. It's just Army calling a desperate flea-flicker because he's out of other options.

[rezero]

Posters sure want a lot for guy they can't wait to be gone.
I will answer your question.
A late 1st round pick.

My feeling on it is that people don't want Kyrou gone as much as they want Kryou's contract gone. His play is not going to age well.

I also suspect that the trading partners are scared off by this too. It's one thing to take a 2-year flyer on a guy that needs a change of scenery. It's another to pick up a 5-year stick in the eye.

Has there ever been 1,2,3 players on the trading block simultaneously, each with 5-years remaining on their contract? Personally, I'd walk away from that roster. It would be akin to buying a "new car" with 8K miles on it, two owners.

So my guess is that the Blues won't be able to trade any of these long-termers. It's just Army calling a desperate flea-flicker because he's out of other options.

His contract? He is 87th in the league and continues to drop. Look at the players in the last 12 months who signed at his price point and it is loaded with unproven guys who are 30pt scorers, aging at players who used to be 30 goal types, or players the same age as Kyrou who are 40pt players. In today’s market 30 goal/70pt players are getting $9M+.

[Harry York 37]

13 points in his last 10, and a +2, but yeah throw him out for a couple turnovers

I appreciate your dogged (stubborn) loyalty- you bleed Blue.

The bolded part tells me you don't watch forward play with a critical eye. If you did, your question should have considered the 40 games he dragged his line, all his teammates on the ice and on the bench, and every fan who follows forward play with a critical eye... down into the gutter. Kyrou had a LOT to do with our miserable start. And, he had months to recover from that clean and solid hit he took early in the playoffs.

It takes a similar stubborn mind to play invisibly enough to garner only two assists over 28 playoff games, and to get a Cup-winning Coach fired, and to get his successor- a rookie Coach hired ONLY to raise the "kids" up with a gentle velvet glove fired- AND be benched by a Jack Adams winner... in two years time.
He is a puke.

Do you, simply, not care to see players compete?

[netboy65]

13 points in his last 10, and a +2, but yeah throw him out for a couple turnovers

Jordan Kyrou’s time in St. Louis is running out — and it’s his own inconsistency that put him there. The talent and speed are obvious, but the effort and urgency just aren’t there often enough. One hot stretch doesn’t erase long stretches of invisible hockey.

If he played with real intensity most nights, he’d be a star. Instead, you never know which version you’re getting. At this point, a trade feels less like an option and more like the inevitable outcome. A new team might light a fire under him — because it clearly hasn’t happened here.

The same can be said for most of this team. At least keep the guy that can put the puck in the net on a team almost dead last in scoring

I get what you’re saying — this isn’t a one-player problem, it’s a roster identity problem.

You absolutely can point to half the lineup and say the same thing. Singling out Jordan Kyrou like he’s the only inconsistent guy ignores the bigger picture with the St. Louis Blues. And no — the cupboard isn’t bare.

• Dalibor Dvorský has legit top-line scoring upside. His shot, hockey IQ, and ability to find space scream future 30–40 goal guy if development stays on track.

• Dylan Holloway has the speed, motor, and net-drive to hit 25–30 in the right role.

• Jimmy Snuggerud might have the purest scorer’s toolkit of the bunch — heavy shot, confidence, and power-play upside.

So yeah — the idea that the team would collapse without Kyrou is overstated.

• What Kyrou gives you: proven NHL production right now.

• What the prospects give you: cheaper, younger scoring with a timeline that fits a retool/rebuild.

If even ONE of those guys becomes a consistent 30-goal scorer, the loss is manageable. If two hit? The team might actually be better balanced long-term.

Bottom line:

• The Blues don’t *need* Kyrou to survive.

• They just need someone — anyone — to reliably replace his offense.

And you’re not crazy for thinking that help could already be in the pipeline.

If those guys produce then great. Right now it’s just potential . One of those guys could replace Kyrou if they hit. What’s wrong with having two or more guys that can score? My point is we need Kyrou AND not Kyrou OR

[bud white]

13 points in his last 10, and a +2, but yeah throw him out for a couple turnovers

Jordan Kyrou’s time in St. Louis is running out — and it’s his own inconsistency that put him there. The talent and speed are obvious, but the effort and urgency just aren’t there often enough. One hot stretch doesn’t erase long stretches of invisible hockey.

If he played with real intensity most nights, he’d be a star. Instead, you never know which version you’re getting. At this point, a trade feels less like an option and more like the inevitable outcome. A new team might light a fire under him — because it clearly hasn’t happened here.

The same can be said for most of this team. At least keep the guy that can put the puck in the net on a team almost dead last in scoring

I get what you’re saying — this isn’t a one-player problem, it’s a roster identity problem.

You absolutely can point to half the lineup and say the same thing. Singling out Jordan Kyrou like he’s the only inconsistent guy ignores the bigger picture with the St. Louis Blues. And no — the cupboard isn’t bare.

• Dalibor Dvorský has legit top-line scoring upside. His shot, hockey IQ, and ability to find space scream future 30–40 goal guy if development stays on track.

• Dylan Holloway has the speed, motor, and net-drive to hit 25–30 in the right role.

• Jimmy Snuggerud might have the purest scorer’s toolkit of the bunch — heavy shot, confidence, and power-play upside.

So yeah — the idea that the team would collapse without Kyrou is overstated.

• What Kyrou gives you: proven NHL production right now.

• What the prospects give you: cheaper, younger scoring with a timeline that fits a retool/rebuild.

If even ONE of those guys becomes a consistent 30-goal scorer, the loss is manageable. If two hit? The team might actually be better balanced long-term.

Bottom line:

• The Blues don’t *need* Kyrou to survive.

• They just need someone — anyone — to reliably replace his offense.

And you’re not crazy for thinking that help could already be in the pipeline.

If those guys produce then great. Right now it’s just potential . One of those guys could replace Kyrou if they hit. What’s wrong with having two or more guys that can score? My point is we need Kyrou AND not Kyrou OR

So what you are saying is that players can take a shift or two off. Gotcha.

But if they take a shift off, what's to keep them from taking a period off? Then a game. Just mail it in and cash the check.

That is the message you are sending to every kid coming into the org. And if you are busting you sack, doing the right things and producing ... but the guy who plays when he feels like it still receives a pass, how would you feel about that? Why would you bust your a** if other guys don't have to, but are still rewarded.

[zoiks]

Problem: Team has a big problem with scoring goals
People on this forum’s solution: Trade the team’s best goal scorer for a terrible return

[Harry York 37]

Problem: Team has a big problem with scoring goals
People on this forum’s solution: Trade the team’s best goal scorer for a terrible return

I think we want a team that will compete in the playoffs.
It is that simple.

[zoiks]

I think we want a team that will compete in the playoffs.
It is that simple.

How does this team that can’t score goals make the playoffs? The NHL is no longer the 1980’s Norris Division version of the NHL.

I’m not totally against trading Kyrou, but he can’t be traded in a salary dump for a nothing return as many here want. I include a return of a failed prospect such as Shane Wright as a salary dump nothing return.

[Harry York 37]

I think we want a team that will compete in the playoffs.
It is that simple.

How does this team that can’t score goals make the playoffs? The NHL is no longer the 1980’s Norris Division version of the NHL.

It doesn't matter if you make the playoffs and you "Best Goal Scorer" turns into Casper the Friendly Ghost. He got called out by the Network Broadcaster for it. That takes a helluva lot of disappearing to get called out like he did. The sharp fans were screaming at him long before Olcyk made it a Network announcement. He told the truth:

"I have never seen such a lack of compete in a Game Seven "
He has been in organized hockey for 50 years...

He doesn't compete for much of the regular season, and he still manages 30 goals. That's what is so very, very disappointing. He could be a 50-goal, or a possible 60-goal scorer... if he played like he gave a [shirt].

He is a mess and a horrific example for his teammates- especially the younger players- to behold on a nightly basis.

As I have said several times, getting 2 assists over a 28-game playoff career is difficult to do. You REALLY gotta disappear.
If you put a Roomba on skates and ran it on the ice for 409 minutes and 55 seconds of ice time... it might have more assists than Kyrou.

[bud white]

I think we want a team that will compete in the playoffs.
It is that simple.

How does this team that can’t score goals make the playoffs? The NHL is no longer the 1980’s Norris Division version of the NHL.

I’m not totally against trading Kyrou, but he can’t be traded in a salary dump for a nothing return as many here want. I include a return of a failed prospect such as Shane Wright as a salary dump nothing return.

You need to read a few posts in this thread. In short, if the Blues CAN get value in a trade - Fantastic! But the reality is that there are too many GMs in this league who played in the N who know that Kyrou is a one trick pony and is very selective in his effort.

As to your comment about a team that isn't scoring ... perhaps you should think along the lines of how Kyrou's indifferent play / ice time is keeping guys who are willing to play and compete off the ice. The Blues aren't scoring because the "goal scorer" is unable (or unwilling) to find an extra gear to score.

[Harry York 37]

I think we want a team that will compete in the playoffs.
It is that simple.

How does this team that can’t score goals make the playoffs? The NHL is no longer the 1980’s Norris Division version of the NHL.

I’m not totally against trading Kyrou, but he can’t be traded in a salary dump for a nothing return as many here want. I include a return of a failed prospect such as Shane Wright as a salary dump nothing return.

You need to read a few posts in this thread. In short, if the Blues CAN get value in a trade - Fantastic! But the reality is that there are too many GMs in this league who played in the N who know that Kyrou is a one trick pony and is very selective in his effort.

As to your comment about a team that isn't scoring ... perhaps you should think along the lines of how Kyrou's indifferent play / ice time is keeping guys who are willing to play and compete off the ice. The Blues aren't scoring because the "goal scorer" is unable (or unwilling) to find an extra gear to score.

A- the [fork]- men!

[ManitobaBlues]

If you look at game-winning goals, then yeah… that stat sheet is not exactly a glowing campaign ad for keeping Jordan Kyrou.

Meanwhile you’ve got depth guys for the St. Louis Blues popping clutch moments:

Jake Neighbours — 2
Brayden Schenn — 2
Pius Suter — 2
Dylan Holloway — 1
Pavel Buchnevich — 1
Nathan Walker — 1
Jonatan Berggren — 1

And then…you have the 2 - 8 million dollar boys....these guys need to be clutch and they are not.

Jordyn Kyrou — 0 (47 GP)
Robert Thomas — 0 (42 GP)

[rezero]

13 points in his last 10, and a +2, but yeah throw him out for a couple turnovers

I appreciate your dogged (stubborn) loyalty- you bleed Blue.

The bolded part tells me you don't watch forward play with a critical eye. If you did, your question should have considered the 40 games he dragged his line, all his teammates on the ice and on the bench, and every fan who follows forward play with a critical eye... down into the gutter. Kyrou had a LOT to do with our miserable start. And, he had months to recover from that clean and solid hit he took early in the playoffs.

It takes a similar stubborn mind to play invisibly enough to garner only two assists over 28 playoff games, and to get a Cup-winning Coach fired, and to get his successor- a rookie Coach hired ONLY to raise the "kids" up with a gentle velvet glove fired- AND be benched by a Jack Adams winner... in two years time.
He is a puke.

Do you, simply, not care to see players compete?

lol….your remind me of my 14 yr old daughter than everything is exaggerated 10x from reality.

First, Berube was fired for the teams overall play and results. You make it sound like he walked Berube out the door.

Plus, Kyrou has 11 goals in 28 playoff games and lead the Blues twice in goals during the playoffs. He lead the team last year in +/-. He had more hits than Buch last year.

There are a lot of players on this team who are underperforming and I would much rather have a natural scorer.