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Posted: **23 Dec 2025 03:55 am**

MLB isn't letting the Cardinals move out of the St. Louis metropolitan area.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 03:55 am**

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:51 pm
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:29 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:15 pm
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:09 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.
St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.
If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.

I live in St Charles county and still like the Cardinals. My niece lives in Arkansas and still likes the Cardinals. I think you are overreacting.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 04:02 am**

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 01:23 am
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:26 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:21 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:05 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
The Kansas City Chiefs will still be the Kansas City Chiefs. It’s basically if the Cardinals decided to build their next stadium in Chesterfield.
No. There was never an historically deadly border war between Chestfield and STL.
I think we can move on from the Civil War at this point don’t you think? Not only is nobody on earth alive from when that happened, I guarantee you don’t know anybody who knew anybody that was alive then.
Oh come on that challenge is easy. My grandparents were born between 1906 and 1910. There grandparent were born before the civil war started. So there are tons of people around who knew people who knew people that were alive then. When I was in college, our fraternity house cook was a soldier in WWI. He was really old and hated a lot of people because of what happened to him during that war and the aftermath. Yes, that history was a long time ago, but, as we get older, a few generations can span a lot of history.

I don't think the Cardinals are moving. I have mixed feelings about the Chiefs moving. There is some prestige to our state to have a team. But, I rarely go to KC, so it doesn't directly impact me. To some degree, I am happy MO is not footing the bill.

I know people that knew people that knew people that knew Julius Caesar.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 04:08 am**

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 03:55 am
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:51 pm
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:29 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:15 pm
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:09 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.
St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.
If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.
I live in St Charles county and still like the Cardinals. My niece lives in Arkansas and still likes the Cardinals. I think you are overreacting.

CCard overreact? Never.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 04:56 am**

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:29 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:15 pm
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:09 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.
Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.
St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.

And that is what is used to get it moved ...a once thriving city...a city continuing to decline in population...declining attendance so on and so on....I couldn't imagine if the cards were moved to Nashville...but i dont think anybody needs to worry about that ever happening....hope not!

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 07:10 am**

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:05 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
The Kansas City Chiefs will still be the Kansas City Chiefs. It’s basically if the Cardinals decided to build their next stadium in Chesterfield.

Not quite. Try Edwardsville.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 07:26 am**

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 01:23 am
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:26 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:21 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:05 pm
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
The Kansas City Chiefs will still be the Kansas City Chiefs. It’s basically if the Cardinals decided to build their next stadium in Chesterfield.
No. There was never an historically deadly border war between Chestfield and STL.
I think we can move on from the Civil War at this point don’t you think? Not only is nobody on earth alive from when that happened, I guarantee you don’t know anybody who knew anybody that was alive then.
Oh come on that challenge is easy. My grandparents were born between 1906 and 1910. There grandparent were born before the civil war started. So there are tons of people around who knew people who knew people that were alive then. When I was in college, our fraternity house cook was a soldier in WWI. He was really old and hated a lot of people because of what happened to him during that war and the aftermath. Yes, that history was a long time ago, but, as we get older, a few generations can span a lot of history.

I don't think the Cardinals are moving. I have mixed feelings about the Chiefs moving. There is some prestige to our state to have a team. But, I rarely go to KC, so it doesn't directly impact me. To some degree, I am happy MO is not footing the bill.

You win my poorly worded challenge. I meant nobody knows anyone [still alive] that knew anybody back then. Yes im assuming your grandparents are no longer with us, apologies if that’s incorrect. If so, you win either way!

And my nobody was intended for people here on CardsTalk, not the global population. I’m sure there are a tiny percentage of people on earth that would still fit that criteria.

General point was…the Civil War was forever ago. Fun for sports rivalries. Silly for holding actual grudges still. It’s a non factor regarding the Chiefs relocating.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 07:31 am**

Since 1980, football has seen the Colts, Cardinals, Rams x 2, Oilers, Raiders x 3, Chargers, and Browns <---> Ravens switch cities for the promise of something financially bigger.

In that same time frame, you've had Montreal become the Nationals & the Oakland As will become the Las Vegas As in a couple of years.

I think it safe to suggest the STL Cardinals aren't going anywhere.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 07:35 am**

I don’t know the answer to this. How much personal investment do the Dewitt’s have in all the surrounding development around the stadium and St Louis area?

Regardless a lot has been invested. I don’t see them ever moving.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:06 am**

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Loyalty? They are an entertainment business.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:22 am**

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Move to Illinois??? Thanks for the laugh this morning. Illinois is anti-business.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:28 am**

The Cardinals own their stadium and Ballpark Village (subsidized with tax breaks). They aren’t going to move to rent a publicly financed stadium. That’s why you don’t publicly finance a stadium in the first place.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:42 am**

Nashville Fast‑growing metro, strong baseball culture, active MLB expansion campaign MLB likely prefers Nashville

Nashville Cardinals

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:49 am**

earp wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 08:42 am Nashville Fast‑growing metro, strong baseball culture, active MLB expansion campaign MLB likely prefers Nashville

Nashville Cardinals

Not going to happen.

Yeah, Nashville is growing, but it's still only the 35th largest market in the country (St. Louis is 23rd). Nashville metro population still 700,000 less than St. Louis. I don't see how the franchise moving from St. Louis to Nashville makes any sense at all.

Also, IMO, Nashville is overrated. It's a fine weekend trip, but unless you're really into country music and loud bars, it doesn't offer much else.

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:52 am**

earp wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 08:42 am Nashville Fast‑growing metro, strong baseball culture, active MLB expansion campaign MLB likely prefers Nashville

Nashville Cardinals

What do the Cardinals do with the stadium they own in downtown St. Louis in that scenario? List it on Zillow?

Posted: **23 Dec 2025 08:53 am**

Voldemort wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 08:22 am
CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.
Move to Illinois??? Thanks for the laugh this morning. Illinois is anti-business.

Illinois has a higher GDP than Missouri. In 2024, Illinois had a GDP of approximately $1.08 trillion, while Missouri's GDP was around $72.1 billion. You need to read more and get off of Fox News.

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