Sonny Gray vs. Dustin May

[Ike Hammett]

Is this a drunk rant? Or is English your second language?

You'd rather keep Gray during a full rebuild? Yikes.

Nope, I would rather not rebuild and work towards a 90+ win season that can compete. There is no reason St. Louis can't be the Blue Jays. Except for you of course!!!!

The Cardinals were not getting to a 90+ roster in 2026 within any conceivable amount of spending.

Kyle Tucker alone would take this .500 team to 90 wins.

Not “conceivable” enough? …Framber Valdez and Tauchman probably gets it done too.

Want to save BDW some money? I know you do…
Tyler Mahle, Tauchman, Bader, Michael King

This also assumes the addition-by-subtraction improvement from not having Fedde, Mikolas, and Pallante in the rotation. Also, other trades can be made.

There are more paths to success than crazy spending and hopeless tanking. Laying down and pouting and doing nothing because the big bad Dodgers are going to get us shouldn’t be an option either.

Is Kyle Tucker and Framber Valdez along with a Dustin May upgrade the answer? Yeah, let's do that! I thought Goldy, Nado and Contreras were but that wasn't good enough for these spoiled brats. I like your plan way better than what's happening now, definitely will be more fun to watch and root for. Even if serious people worked hard to get that, these losers would hate on it, listen to Bernie Mikolaz and BenFred at the post dispatch who tell everyone the Cards were cheap and didn't even try.

[Ike Hammett]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

[mattmitchl44]

Is this a drunk rant? Or is English your second language?

You'd rather keep Gray during a full rebuild? Yikes.

Nope, I would rather not rebuild and work towards a 90+ win season that can compete. There is no reason St. Louis can't be the Blue Jays. Except for you of course!!!!

The Cardinals were not getting to a 90+ roster in 2026 within any conceivable amount of spending.

Kyle Tucker alone would take this .500 team to 90 wins.

There is zero factual basis for that conclusion. None.

Tucker is consistently a 4+ fWAR player. This isn't close to an 86 win team without him. They were only a 78 win team last year, subtracted Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Mikolas, and Maton, and even if they kept them Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. would be/have been expected to be declining players.

They are MILES (and not Mikolas) from being a 90+ win team.

Even WITH Tucker, who they almost certainly couldn't get to sign with them, they are at least two, and probably three, borderline All-Star or better players away from being a serious 90+ win contender.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

[Ike Hammett]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

Lol! You're cool! Thought you were trying to bash with a sense of a hole type humor. Maybe you are just out there eh?

[sikeston bulldog2]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

Lol! You're cool! Thought you were trying to bash with a sense of a hole type humor. Maybe you are just out there eh?

I’m so far out there, they used to call me Pluto. I try to not let the past, remind me, of what I am not now.

[Ike Hammett]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

Lol! You're cool! Thought you were trying to bash with a sense of a hole type humor. Maybe you are just out there eh?

I’m so far out there, they used to call me Pluto. I try to not let the past, remind me, of what I am not now.

Fair enough. But some of us take things seriously. I respect your humor and appreciate it. Just want better and am not seeing it.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

Lol! You're cool! Thought you were trying to bash with a sense of a hole type humor. Maybe you are just out there eh?

I’m so far out there, they used to call me Pluto. I try to not let the past, remind me, of what I am not now.

Fair enough. But some of us take things seriously. I respect your humor and appreciate it. Just want better and am not seeing it.

I think we dug ourselves in deeper than usual. A place we haven’t been in 30 plus years. We are finding out the difference between being in a muddle puddle or a texas sized mud hole.

The biggest difference- time. Takes more in this environment. Good news. Time is time in time. This will pass.

[Ike Hammett]

Is this a drunk rant? Or is English your second language?

You'd rather keep Gray during a full rebuild? Yikes.

Nope, I would rather not rebuild and work towards a 90+ win season that can compete. There is no reason St. Louis can't be the Blue Jays. Except for you of course!!!!

The Cardinals were not getting to a 90+ roster in 2026 within any conceivable amount of spending.

Kyle Tucker alone would take this .500 team to 90 wins.

There is zero factual basis for that conclusion. None.

Tucker is consistently a 4+ fWAR player. This isn't close to an 86 win team without him. They were only a 78 win team last year, subtracted Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Mikolas, and Maton, and even if they kept them Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. would be/have been expected to be declining players.

They are MILES (and not Mikolas) from being a 90+ win team.

Even WITH Tucker, who they almost certainly couldn't get to sign with them, they are at least two, and probably three, borderline All-Star or better players away from being a serious 90+ win contender.

It's baseball, nobody can predict anything about anything and we go with the flow. I think we can all agree upgrades like Tucker, Valdez and May over Mikolas definitely make us more competitive and give us a shot, definitely more fun and happier to root for. Maybe a signings like that inspires the club, makes them work harder, puts people in the stands that encourage and demand better play. 5 WAR is definitely better than what Walker is putting up (fact)!

[HighHeat23]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

Cause you gotta blame someone for your own confusion. We're on guard this time...on guard this time, for your final solution.

Gotta love some Tom Cochrane

[HighHeat23]

I tranlated the OP into Swahili.

Kwa hivyo nyinyi wanaochukia mnafikiria kweli hii ni bora na mnataka hiyo jinsi ya kuwa bora na kubwa zaidi? Bwana Mo got Gray you're way got May, hata hivyo, nitajitokeza na kumpa May mizizi na kumpenda kama Kardinali, sivyo? I mean after all that's what's what you want right? BWAAAAHAHAHA unataka kufanya biashara ya Grey kwa Mei na unataka tu nijitokeze kwa hilo. UNANYANYA!!!!

Hope that helps.

Swahili? I thought that was some good ol frontier gibberish from Gabby Johnson.

[Ike Hammett]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

Lol! You're cool! Thought you were trying to bash with a sense of a hole type humor. Maybe you are just out there eh?

I’m so far out there, they used to call me Pluto. I try to not let the past, remind me, of what I am not now.

Fair enough. But some of us take things seriously. I respect your humor and appreciate it. Just want better and am not seeing it.

I think we dug ourselves in deeper than usual. A place we haven’t been in 30 plus years. We are finding out the difference between being in a muddle puddle or a texas sized mud hole.

The biggest difference- time. Takes more in this environment. Good news. Time is time in time. This will pass.

Okay, I apologize if I offend you or anyone else. Make time pass faster as I don't want to lose. You actually should be telling all the haters that when they were constantly whining about being good and decent. I recall you being one.

[rockondlouie]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

Best use of this song?

VISION QUEST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdFExsqoC4

[sikeston bulldog2]

Lunatic Fringe. We all know you’re out there. This is open season. And you won’t get too far. Cause you gotta blame someone. For your stare and confusion.

This is the funniest post I think i have ever read. I'm out there? Because I wanted the Mr. Mo and Mr. DeWitt model that millions were happy with. And you losers all fought for the opposite.

Yeah, you suck!

Thanx. My meager attempt at humor. We were happy with that model. But it’s outdated.

Yes. I know I suck. Please don’t remind me of my failures; I have not forgotten them.

As for Red Rider- Tom cochrane.

Lol! You're cool! Thought you were trying to bash with a sense of a hole type humor. Maybe you are just out there eh?

I’m so far out there, they used to call me Pluto. I try to not let the past, remind me, of what I am not now.

Fair enough. But some of us take things seriously. I respect your humor and appreciate it. Just want better and am not seeing it.

I think we dug ourselves in deeper than usual. A place we haven’t been in 30 plus years. We are finding out the difference between being in a muddle puddle or a texas sized mud hole.

The biggest difference- time. Takes more in this environment. Good news. Time is time in time. This will pass.

Okay, I apologize if I offend you or anyone else. Make time pass faster as I don't want to lose. You actually should be telling all the haters that when they were constantly whining about being good and decent. I recall you being one.

They know. Old men in the dead of old man winter. Recipe for disdain.

The oldest at times are the most impatient. But one things a fact for us all- the waiting is the hardest part.

[Cusecards]

Can’t put my finger on the exact poster but Ike
with his babbling rants/tirades reminds me of a former poster.
I always laugh when someone “calls out” other posters as a group(ex- HATERS) and then prooves incapable of having a civil discussion/dialogue.
Yet WE have the problem and are HATERS?????

[mattmitchl44]

Is this a drunk rant? Or is English your second language?

You'd rather keep Gray during a full rebuild? Yikes.

Nope, I would rather not rebuild and work towards a 90+ win season that can compete. There is no reason St. Louis can't be the Blue Jays. Except for you of course!!!!

The Cardinals were not getting to a 90+ roster in 2026 within any conceivable amount of spending.

Kyle Tucker alone would take this .500 team to 90 wins.

There is zero factual basis for that conclusion. None.

Tucker is consistently a 4+ fWAR player. This isn't close to an 86 win team without him. They were only a 78 win team last year, subtracted Helsley, Matz, Fedde, Mikolas, and Maton, and even if they kept them Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. would be/have been expected to be declining players.

They are MILES (and not Mikolas) from being a 90+ win team.

Even WITH Tucker, who they almost certainly couldn't get to sign with them, they are at least two, and probably three, borderline All-Star or better players away from being a serious 90+ win contender.

It's baseball, nobody can predict anything about anything and we go with the flow. I think we can all agree upgrades like Tucker, Valdez and May over Mikolas definitely make us more competitive and give us a shot, definitely more fun and happier to root for. Maybe a signings like that inspires the club, makes them work harder, puts people in the stands that encourage and demand better play. 5 WAR is definitely better than what Walker is putting up (fact)!

Nothing about the future, of anything, is certain. But that doesn't mean that you don't try to make the most probable assessment that you can. And the most probable assessment is that this team is MILES from being a 90+ win team.

The Cardinals are trying to get away from the "let's give it a shot and hope to be good enough to just make the playoffs and then maybe anything can happen" philosophy. They are trying to get to a "let's patiently and systematically rebuild this organization so that we can have significantly more talented rosters in the future" philosophy.

As noted before, the problem with investing RIGHT NOW in a Tucker and Valdez is that they don't make you good enough to be really competitive in the short run and, if the rest of your roster does become good enough to be competitive in the long run, there is a significant likelihood that the Tucker, Valdez, etc. that you signed RIGHT NOW will be a shell of themselves at that point, but you'll still be paying them $30+ million a year. So when the rest of your roster is good again, the Tucker, Valdez, etc. that you insisted on signing RIGHT NOW will be what holds you back from being able to be really competitive.