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Should be a solid upside signing. Probably 1 yr./$10 million plus IP incentives for another $5 million and maybe a team option in 2027 for $20 million.

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Both were old, but had pitched multiple 200 inning seasons. We only had $35 million of contracts, so there isn’t much financial risk. I don’t see much upside though.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:41 pm Should be a solid upside signing. Probably 1 yr./$10 million plus IP incentives for another $5 million and maybe a team option in 2027 for $20 million.

There is a mutual option for 2027, as confirmed by Derrick Goold.

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Also, last year was the first year back after the flexor tendon surgery, even though it was done in 23, he had the esophagus tear in 24. So one would expect his numbers to not be the greatest in his first year back pitching.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Both were old, but had pitched multiple 200 inning seasons.

You are looking at the upcoming season completely wrong. It's all about upside.

My hope is that Dustin stays injury-free thru May .
Dustin May or Dustin May not ! Keeping fingers crossed

zuck698 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Also, last year was the first year back after the flexor tendon surgery, even though it was done in 23, he had the esophagus tear in 24. So one would expect his numbers to not be the greatest in his first year back pitching.

He had never pitched more than 56 innings before last season.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Both were old, but had pitched multiple 200 inning seasons. We only had $35 million of contracts, so there isn’t much financial risk. I don’t see much upside though.

And out of baseball last season because nobody wanted them

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:46 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Both were old, but had pitched multiple 200 inning seasons. We only had $35 million of contracts, so there isn’t much financial risk. I don’t see much upside though.

And out of baseball the very next season.

I wasn’t implying that Lynn and Gibson were good signings. May seems like he could be a solid relief pitcher, but not much more.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:41 pm Should be a solid upside signing. Probably 1 yr./$10 million plus IP incentives for another $5 million and maybe a team option in 2027 for $20 million.

That seems awful high for the mutual option. I doubt the $15 million in first year too seems high. We will know shortly. We definitely have payroll room.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

28 years old with a higher ceiling. Was considered one of the best starters coming through the Dodgers system. If he can stay healthy, could be above Libby in the rotation.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:46 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Both were old, but had pitched multiple 200 inning seasons. We only had $35 million of contracts, so there isn’t much financial risk. I don’t see much upside though.

And out of baseball the very next season.

I wasn’t implying that Lynn and Gibson were good signings. May seems like he could be a solid relief pitcher, but not much more.

Unfair to say really. He’s only 28 and had 2 straight years of injury. Hes worth the flyer, especially in our current state

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:52 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:47 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:46 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Both were old, but had pitched multiple 200 inning seasons. We only had $35 million of contracts, so there isn’t much financial risk. I don’t see much upside though.

And out of baseball the very next season.

I wasn’t implying that Lynn and Gibson were good signings. May seems like he could be a solid relief pitcher, but not much more.

Unfair to say really. He’s only 28 and had 2 straight years of injury. Hes worth the flyer, especially in our current state

It’s fair, based on 7 years in the majors.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:45 pm

zuck698 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:39 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:36 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:49 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:43 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 15:41 pm I'm a big fan of finally signing guys that can be dealt at the deadline if they turn in a strong 1st half. If he stinks, it's just a 1 year deal, so nothing lost.

+1 definitely beats signing a guy like mikolas who has limited upside

Agreed. In the past, guys like Lynn and Gibson would have never gotten us much at the deadline. I'd much rather sign guys like May, especially for the upcoming season or 2, who could pay off huge at the deadline. Never understood why Mo didn't do this.

How is May any better than Lynn or Gibson?

“ After scuffling through 19 appearances with L.A., he battled injuries and poor performance with the Red Sox. May set career highs in innings (132 1/3) and games (25) last season, but posted an unsightly 4.96 ERA with an xFIP and SIERA in the mid-4.00s.”

He's 28 and has upside. How old were Gibson and Lynn when we signed them? Both had limited to no upside.

Also, last year was the first year back after the flexor tendon surgery, even though it was done in 23, he had the esophagus tear in 24. So one would expect his numbers to not be the greatest in his first year back pitching.

He had never pitched more than 56 innings before last season.

Your point? Liberatore had a high of 86 until last year. May was severely injured for many of his years in the MLB, so of course his innings would be low. May pitched 132 innings last year while Liberatore pitched 150 innings last year. No reason that May cannot build on his 132 if his health allows.

mutigers1987 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:11 pm

Just Whit wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:08 pm rare esophageal tear (2024)

How do you do this???
Anybody?

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/b ... cy-surgery

Crazy.

Yet another reason to hate salad

ggnoobs wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:56 pm

mutigers1987 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:11 pm

Just Whit wrote: ↑13 Dec 2025 16:08 pm rare esophageal tear (2024)

How do you do this???
Anybody?

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/b ... cy-surgery

Crazy.

Yet another reason to hate salad