Bloom on releasing Arenado..”it’s not an option”

[Melville]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Please show me a single stat where Gorman was significantly better than NA in 2025.

They're basically the same player at this point.

When healthy NA was much superior to NG in the first half.

You don’t release him unless he’s hurt and never coming back. He seems to be healthy at this point.

I was only refuting Mel's claim that there were alternatives that were "far more productive" in 2025, which is clearly false.

Whether to release NA is between BDW and his pocketbook. But Saint Bloom is going to look like a bit of a clown if NA is still on the opening day roster.

Data says N/A bat was worse than that of Gorman, Donovan, and Fermin in 2025.
Which was my original statement, and which is fully correct.
It should be true in 2026 as well.
Now, defense is another matter.
If you put stock in such metrics, N/A was a slightly below average 3b glove in 2025.
Since Donovan, Gorman, Fermin, and obviously Wetherholt have never spent a full season playing 3b at the MLB level, any projection as to how any would compare to N/A in 2026 is just that - a projection.
But one thing is certain.
N/A at 3b does nothing to make the team better.
Any of the other four might.
Which is precisely why Bloom is working so hard to trade N/A again.

[Cardinals4Life]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

No, no they do not.
No, no it was not.

[juan good eye]

Gormany DH
Donovan adios
Fermin lol
Wetherholt 2B
Nado 3B

[Cusecards]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

[Melville]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

WAR is not a stat.
It is the exact opposite of a stat.
Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.

This is incorrect (not about WAR - I tend to agree with you here on that)
- Gorman pretty much cloned NA’s numbers last year. The only thing Gorman “far out-produced” in was in the amount of SOs he amassed…
- Fermin had 60 ABs to NA’s 400, it’s a fool who draws mass conclusions over such a discrepant sample size

- Donovan did far out produce offensively, and I do think he could a lot in at 3rd and easily replace NA with better production in 2026. However, he played zero games at that position last year, and less than 10% of his total games at that position at the MLB level (with the bulk of that play coming his rookie season)

I will concede that saying Gorman far out-produced N/A was a bit of a stretch - but it is a fact that he did get on base and did produce runs at a higher rate.
And obviously, Donovan and Fermin unquestionably outhit N/A by a wide margin.
That is the reality.
Moving forward, I don't think there is any question that STL currently has at least 4 players who can be expected to outhit N/A in 2026.
Last item - glad you question WAR as a stat.
It isn't one.

[Melville]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

[Dicktar2023]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Please show me a single stat where Gorman was significantly better than NA in 2025.

They're basically the same player at this point.

When healthy NA was much superior to NG in the first half.

You don’t release him unless he’s hurt and never coming back. He seems to be healthy at this point.

I was only refuting Mel's claim that there were alternatives that were "far more productive" in 2025, which is clearly false.

Whether to release NA is between BDW and his pocketbook. But Saint Bloom is going to look like a bit of a clown if NA is still on the opening day roster.

You aren’t wrong but I do think there’s some chance Nado is still here. The market for him doesn’t sound too active. Plus it would require a place wanting him that he would accept - and Houston has been burned once.

There’s a non zero chance that he increases his trade value by playing. Pujols had a major bounce back at age 42. Nado isn’t 42, but he is a fellow HOFer.

I agree. I've been confused for months why everyone--including NA and Bloom--are so certain that NA is gone. I'd say it's better than 50% that he goes, but it's not at all difficult to imagine that he comes back.

[scoutyjones2]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Statistically Gorman is a zero war player at third base.

NA is well above that and still has a higher ceiling.

JJW is a 2B. And Fermin is not a starter in any reality.

WAR is not a stat.
It is the exact opposite of a stat.
Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.

This is incorrect (not about WAR - I tend to agree with you here on that)
- Gorman pretty much cloned NA’s numbers last year. The only thing Gorman “far out-produced” in was in the amount of SOs he amassed…
- Fermin had 60 ABs to NA’s 400, it’s a fool who draws mass conclusions over such a discrepant sample size

- Donovan did far out produce offensively, and I do think he could a lot in at 3rd and easily replace NA with better production in 2026. However, he played zero games at that position last year, and less than 10% of his total games at that position at the MLB level (with the bulk of that play coming his rookie season)

Like I said... Smellville is full of bull[shirt]

[Cusecards]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

Whatever you say Sideshow....and I’m still chuckling at the absurdity of your first sentence.
Your posts are loaded with bias and hypocritical nonsense.
Thanks for the laughs Sideshow!

[brock118]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

Except he sucks so bad he could never amass 600 ABs in a single year cuz he blows chunks.

[Ozziesfan41]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

Except he sucks so bad he could never amass 600 ABs in a single year cuz he blows chunks.

lol +1 he’s a black hole for all but a month or two of the season and makes himself unplayable and add in the back back he won’t get 600 at bats. Mel is taking a page from the O’Neil lovers book but but but if you give him 600 at bats lol

[brock118]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

Except he sucks so bad he could never amass 600 ABs in a single year cuz he blows chunks.

Let's see how accurate those 80-80 stats are

2022-313 PA 44 Runs per 600= 84 35 RBI per 600= 67
2023-464 PA 59 Runs per 600= 76 76 RBI per 600= 98
2024-402 PA 42 Runs per 600= 62 50 RBI per 600= 74
2025-402 PA 48 Runs per 600= 71 46 RBI per 600= 68

So not once has he ever been an 80-80 guy in both stats and he only broke that barrier twice out of 8 attempts.

[Ozziesfan41]

If you can't trade him and he wants out and he's blocking the future, you gotta release him. Now if he doesn't want out, then keep him as a DH/3B, but the problem is I can't see The Marmot being smart enough to juggle multiple players playing multiple positions in different games.

He’s not blocking anyone. If they really earned it, they would be playing.

Heck, Gorman has had four years of essentially unlimited opportunity and still doesn’t deserve an automatic roster spot

+1 and Gorman is definitely not the future he’s going to suck again next season

We can all cross our fingers and hope that Gorman can actually approach the level of player in 2026 that ME-ville professes him to be.

I don't profess any player to be anything other than what he has shown.
Gorman, despite the strikeouts, has consistently shown himself to be at 80 runs scored / 80 RBI bat per every 600 PA's.
That is not an endorsement.
It is simply the statistical record established by 4 years of data.

Except he sucks so bad he could never amass 600 ABs in a single year cuz he blows chunks.

Let's see how accurate those 80-80 stats are

2022-313 PA 44 Runs per 600= 84 35 RBI per 600= 67
2023-464 PA 59 Runs per 600= 76 76 RBI per 600= 98
2024-402 PA 42 Runs per 600= 62 50 RBI per 600= 74
2025-402 PA 48 Runs per 600= 71 46 RBI per 600= 68

So not once has he ever been an 80-80 guy in both stats and he only broke that barrier twice out of 8 attempts.

So Mel was wrong again as usual? Shocking

[renostl]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Who?

You can't name one

Statistically, Gorman, Donovan, and even Fermin were all far more productive than N/A in 2025.
Next year, Wetherholt will join that list - at a minimum.
Though unlikely, it would not be a shock if 2 more did as well.

Please show me a single stat where Gorman was significantly better than NA in 2025.

They're basically the same player at this point.

When healthy NA was much superior to NG in the first half.

You don’t release him unless he’s hurt and never coming back. He seems to be healthy at this point.

I was only refuting Mel's claim that there were alternatives that were "far more productive" in 2025, which is clearly false.

Whether to release NA is between BDW and his pocketbook. But Saint Bloom is going to look like a bit of a clown if NA is still on the opening day roster.

You aren’t wrong but I do think there’s some chance Nado is still here. The market for him doesn’t sound too active. Plus it would require a place wanting him that he would accept - and Houston has been burned once.

There’s a non zero chance that he increases his trade value by playing. Pujols had a major bounce back at age 42. Nado isn’t 42, but he is a fellow HOFer.

I agree. I've been confused for months why everyone--including NA and Bloom--are so certain that NA is gone. I'd say it's better than 50% that he goes, but it's not at all difficult to imagine that he comes back.

Arenado was a probable consolation prize for a team that has no intention to spend big.
Some team will get him at half price but hey they save half, yeah Merry Christmas.

In a best-case scenario that would coincide with a favorite of Nolans. Unfortunately, a favorite
of Nolans are probably after more than Nolan is as a player. So they get to wait until teams disappear
and he is left with a AZ or a LAA.
I'd really like to be wrong for Nolan and something shakes loose for him.

Gorman has been an excessively quite topic. No surprise here that the Cards might be making a choice
on who gets more runway in 2026. Walker gets talked of. Gorman silent. Even hobbled
Nootbaar has noise.

Keep Donnie Improve the Infield with JJ at 3B move forward with increased clarity.
Fermin, Saggese in the mix.

[ScalesofJustice]

Well I don't see the motivation to release him since there aren't any other 3B challenging for playing time. I think the team can move forward with their plans whether they have Arenado or not.

The Cardinals have multiple players who are better at 3b right now than N/A.
That was true throughout the 2025 season as well.

Not in the field. He's still one of the best with the glove.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The argument is a moot point. There is not a better glove or position play than arenado. None. He’s the best in baseball. That should be a multiplier. Why is it not?

All the emphasis on arenado is his hitting. It’s gone light. Aside from that you have a good ball player.

The problem really is the money. A lite hitting gold glove caliber 3rd baseman has a price. When we meet that level he’s gone.