B. Donovan trade market "ON FIRE" per S.I.

[JuanAgosto]

Seems to me that with 4 or so 'very serious' suitors for Donovan that Bloom's scouts etc. are pouring over the prospect lists of those clubs.
That involves a lot of hours of narrowing down with prospect types you are targeting for each team . From one article I read, another unnamed team said the Cardinals are being cautious on which players they are seeking from various teams.

It doesn't take hours, certainly not days, if they did their due diligence on teams prospects. They should have understood what they wanted from teams for him, and come prepared

Exactly

[Ozziesfan41]

Seems to me that with 4 or so 'very serious' suitors for Donovan that Bloom's scouts etc. are pouring over the prospect lists of those clubs.
That involves a lot of hours of narrowing down with prospect types you are targeting for each team . From one article I read, another unnamed team said the Cardinals are being cautious on which players they are seeking from various teams.

It doesn't take hours, certainly not days, if they did their due diligence on teams prospects. They should have understood what they wanted from teams for him, and come prepared

Exactly

They probably did and now it’s a matter of negotiating and getting the other team to give up what they want. And then when bloom tells them what he wants they go back and talk to their people and say he wants these players is that a good deal should we do that deal then they counter

[RamFan08NY]

I think Bloom already has a very good idea of what kind of return he's gonna get for BD. Now he's working on getting a bidding war going to increase the return.

I'm going with 3:00pm EST on day 2 for the announcement.

Agree with the first sentence, but not convinced that he’ll be getting any bidding wars started. Think a lot of teams would like to have a player like Donovan, but I am not too sure that he’s a good enough player to get them too far out of their comfort zone. I guess that’s Bloom’s job, though. Just convince one team to go a bit over their comfort level, if possible.

Thats the way i see it. Just because several teams are high on BD, doesn't mean that they're going to unload the farm for him. He's a great piece for a few teams, and probably a nice compliment for others. With that said, it only takes one team (Yankees??) to love him. If Bloom finds one team who loves him, the return could be nice.

I would not be surprised if he goes to a team who wants either Jojo, or a catcher in the deal. That is what will crank the return up.

[hornetfb52]

Cardinals have the leverage here. Donovan does not have to be traded. They can be patient and not rush into a decision.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Cardinals have the leverage here. Donovan does not have to be traded. They can be patient and not rush into a decision.

This is true, however if they are going to trade him this is the moment. Any other time they trade him, whether it is before spring training, at the deadline, or next offseason will be at a reduced return.

[hornetfb52]

Cardinals have the leverage here. Donovan does not have to be traded. They can be patient and not rush into a decision.

This is true, however if they are going to trade him this is the moment. Any other time they trade him, whether it is before spring training, at the deadline, or next offseason will be at a reduced return.

Agreed

[AZ_Cardsfan]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

[rockondlouie]

18 teams still reportedly interested in Donny, five to six may have already submitted offers.

Let the bidding war begin!

[Melville]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

[rockondlouie]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

[Whatashame]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

Rock, he can’t possibly know if it’s a strategic mistake until we know the return. I see Donovan similar to Edman. Donovan has value but the Cardinals may think that paying Donovan 15-20 million a year when Donovan is in his 30s (which seems where this is headed) just isn’t feasible. If the return on Donovan is a Fedde type then don’t move him. If the return is a couple of high end pitching prospects then that’s a completely different story. We are all waiting for this to resolve itself.

[rockondlouie]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

Rock, he can’t possibly know if it’s a strategic mistake until we know the return. I see Donovan similar to Edman. Donovan has value but the Cardinals may think that paying Donovan 15-20 million a year when Donovan is in his 30s (which seems where this is headed) just isn’t feasible. If the return on Donovan is a Fedde type then don’t move him. If the return is a couple of high end pitching prospects then that’s a completely different story. We are all waiting for this to resolve itself.

Absolutely

I was all for dealing Edman for the exact reason you listed (not worth the price to the Cardinals), same for Donny (and like most I was/am a big fan of both).

Fortunately Mo isn't in charge anymore so no "Fedde like" return for Donny!

Unlike some in here, I'm in no hurry this week for the trade to take place even though I think it will occur before the new year.

[Melville]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

Fair question.
I have explained it previously in detail and will repeat it in short form now.
One, foolish to write off 2026 just yet - with a couple of relatively easy moves the team can be positioned to compete for a W/C in 2026 AND build for the future at the same time - choosing between the two is a false choice completely.
Two, Donovan in LF in 2026 makes the team better.
Three, Donovan as insurance against performance or injury at 2b, 3b, and SS could be invaluable
Four, offering an extension should not be discarded until attempted
Five, the team can address each of those items through the end of July and deal Donovan then if circumstances merit the move

[rockondlouie]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

Fair question.
I have explained it previously in detail and will repeat it in short form now.
One, foolish to write off 2026 just yet - with a couple of relatively easy moves the team can be positioned to compete for a W/C in 2026 AND build for the future at the same time - choosing between the two is a false choice completely.
Two, Donovan in LF in 2026 makes the team better.
Three, Donovan as insurance against performance or injury at 2b, 3b, and SS could be invaluable
Four, offering an extension should not be discarded until attempted
Five, the team can address each of those items through the end of July and deal Donovan then if circumstances merit the move

One, While I'd love to not be going through this re-build unfortunately BDWJr/Mo's mismanagement of the minor league system has made it inevitable.

And Dewitt isn't going to spend this season knowing the new CBA is coming up at seasons end.

Two...three...four...none of these fit in w/the re-build.

Donny is Bloom's best trade asset, the one player who could bring back a strong pitching prospect who could be ready by the 2027 season.

And no way Dewitt is giving him an extension, he's looking at the same or more than T. Edman got ($75M/5 yrs).

Waiting till July risk 1) injury...2) he gets off to a slow start and 3) he has more value to a team for 162 games vs 80+.

I'd love to keep him and compete in 2026 too mel, but the writings on the wall and Dewitt isn't going to allow that to happen (re: he's spending no money).

[Melville]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

Fair question.
I have explained it previously in detail and will repeat it in short form now.
One, foolish to write off 2026 just yet - with a couple of relatively easy moves the team can be positioned to compete for a W/C in 2026 AND build for the future at the same time - choosing between the two is a false choice completely.
Two, Donovan in LF in 2026 makes the team better.
Three, Donovan as insurance against performance or injury at 2b, 3b, and SS could be invaluable
Four, offering an extension should not be discarded until attempted
Five, the team can address each of those items through the end of July and deal Donovan then if circumstances merit the move

One, While I'd love to not be going through this re-build unfortunately BDWJr/Mo's mismanagement of the minor league system has made it inevitable.

And Dewitt isn't going to spend this season knowing the new CBA is coming up at seasons end.

Two...three...four...none of these fit in w/the re-build.

Donny is Bloom's best trade asset, the one player who could bring back a strong pitching prospect who could be ready by the 2027 season.

And no way Dewitt is giving him an extension, he's looking at the same or more than T. Edman got ($75M/5 yrs).

Waiting till July risk 1) injury...2) he gets off to a slow start and 3) he has more value to a team for 162 games vs 80+.

I'd love to keep him and compete in 2026 too mel, but the writings on the wall and Dewitt isn't going to allow that to happen (re: he's spending no money).

Except, of course, it is not a rebuild.
According to Bloom.
Nor should it be.

[renostl]

They will trade Donovan in the next few days. His value will never be higher and Bloom won't overplay his hand. They know all about the other teams players and what they want. There is no delay for that. This is simply looking at 4-5 offers and giving it a few days to see if one of the suitors blinks and offers over and above the current value. If no one blinks they already know which offer they will take.

Agree it will happen soon.
Strategically, I believe it is a mistake on Bloom's part, for several reasons.
But he seems committed to that path.
So, we will simply have to wait to see what the return will be when he pulls the trigger and evaluate then.

How can trading Donovan be a "strategic mistake"?

Rock, he can’t possibly know if it’s a strategic mistake until we know the return. I see Donovan similar to Edman. Donovan has value but the Cardinals may think that paying Donovan 15-20 million a year when Donovan is in his 30s (which seems where this is headed) just isn’t feasible. If the return on Donovan is a Fedde type then don’t move him. If the return is a couple of high end pitching prospects then that’s a completely different story. We are all waiting for this to resolve itself.

There are rational thoughts to both IMO.

TE's AAV was $15M I believe in Monopoly Money Land. IF BD is similar and the Cardinals cannot afford that
they are done.

IMO, BD really should be productive through his 33 season, That's 5 seasons. As much of a window as
any player on the roster may provide. Is a competitive team 6 seasons away?

A key point here that assumes ignorance by the FO is that there has been zero conversation about
BD's future as a Cardinal. This seems unlikely. IF BD wants to test a market that he is "on fire" in, then
it is close to an automatic trade.

Yes everyone is tradeable. if anyone is then it gets judged on how we go forward. Is the team better
positioned going forward? BD is a good player. It wasn't long ago though that he was considered a UT.
He still has that as an attribute on his resume. Failures by others is why he grabbed 2B. Same as Burleson
as a corner OF/1B. They as opposed to the original plan guys took advantage of opportunities
despite the conditions sometimes used as an excuse of failure to the "A" plan guys.