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rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 12:54 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 12:05 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:28 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Just being loyal to a long time friend who had helped bring winning seasons for many years.

You and Mr. DeWitt?

I think he was referring to BDWJr being loyal to Mo.

And that was a huge mistake, Dewitt should've fired Mo years ago before the team fell on hard times and attendance cratered.

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:29 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 12:54 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 12:05 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:28 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Just being loyal to a long time friend who had helped bring winning seasons for many years.

You and Mr. DeWitt?

I think he was referring to BDWJr being loyal to Mo.

And that was a huge mistake, Dewitt should've fired Mo years ago before the team fell on hard times and attendance cratered.

Exactly!!

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:08 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:04 am

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 08:22 am They kept trying to patch the ML roster to "compete" (what many here continue to call for) until they just couldn't any longer.

As noted long ago, they should have traded Goldschmidt and Arenado at back in July 2023 and started the rebuild at that point.

No. The problem wasn't "patching". Teams always have to do this. The problem was cheap patching. Period.

They got Gray going into 2024, which was very much NOT a cheap patch. Once that - along with still having to pay Arenado, Goldschmidt, Contreras, Mikolas, etc., there was no other serious option than some "cheaper patching" for the many other inadequacies on the roster.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:51 pm

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I strongly suspect Dewitt III is running things now. Jr would never have gone along with a dump and rebuild. He wanted to trade off prospects to stay in contention. The LaRussa model.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:51 pm

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I strongly suspect Dewitt III is running things now. Jr would never have gone along with a dump and rebuild. He wanted to trade off prospects to stay in contention. The LaRussa model.

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 12:05 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:28 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Just an old fashion way of doing things. Being loyal and a little protective on an employee who had helped to bring him
a great deal of success in winning seasons over the years and two World Championships.
Just being loyal to a long time friend who had helped bring winning seasons for many years.

You and Mr. DeWitt?

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:23 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 12:05 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:28 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Just an old fashion way of doing things. Being loyal and a little protective on an employee who had helped to bring him
a great deal of success in winning seasons over the years and two World Championships.
Just being loyal to a long time friend who had helped bring winning seasons for many years.

You and Mr. DeWitt?

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:28 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Just being loyal to a long time friend who had helped bring winning seasons for many years.

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:28 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 11:04 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 09:09 am

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

Maybe, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, they wanted Bloom to be in charge and in full control for the rebuild. Ya think?

And BDW could have fired Mo a full year earlier effective immediately when he decided to install Bloom instead of giving him a wasted year of runway. That handling was a massive missed opportunity.

Just being loyal to a long time friend who had helped bring winning seasons for many years.

Sentimentality belongs in the marketing department, not in the board room per who is running the franchise into the ground, as it turned out. If loyalty mattered that much to Dewitt, then he should have purchased Mozeliak a Bentley and told him to hit the road in it.

zuck698 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 14:10 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 13:51 pm

Web7 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 06:54 am The incompetence of this ownership is very scary

I strongly suspect Dewitt III is running things now. Jr would never have gone along with a dump and rebuild. He wanted to trade off prospects to stay in contention. The LaRussa model.

Agreed Irish. I have said the same in several posts. And while we know that Jr. would spend the money to at least be in the top ten of payrolls in the past, I have severe doubts about number 3! That is what concerns me about going forward with not spending any money now. III is the one who blatanly said in an interview, that if fans don't show up, "we won't spend"! Do we really think fans will show up for continued losing baseball, year after year? That is why I am a proponent of building on youth, but also putting a competitve team on the field. The walk and chew gum approach. I also question his passion for the game vs his father's passion. There was a time Bill wanted to win. I am not so sure that the son cares either way, as long as the checks clear. He seems to be more analytical than his father and leans toward the marketing aspects of the game. You can see this transition over the last 10 years if you look closely. I think 3 has had a good amount of control over the last several years. The Cards were not so heavily dependent on analytics before 2016. This goes along with Melville's statement about a Marketing Firm with a baseball team attached. I.M.O.

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 08:22 am They kept trying to patch the ML roster to "compete" (what many here continue to call for) until they just couldn't any longer.

As noted long ago, they should have traded Goldschmidt and Arenado at back in July 2023 and started the rebuild at that point.