Bloom needs to find a bargain #2 type FA starting pitcher

[NYCardsFan]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

"They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?" That they are dumping salary, Stooge.

No kidding...so why will he shell out cash when he is dumping it...unbelievable

Dumping salary to spend the money elsewhere. While adding some younger players.

So you’re saying they’re “dumping salary” by trading away a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (and kicking in $20mm) for prospects so that they can turn around and “spend the money” in free agency to acquire . . . a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” to compete in 2026? Brilliant.

[Shady]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

"They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?" That they are dumping salary, Stooge.

No kidding...so why will he shell out cash when he is dumping it...unbelievable

Dumping salary to spend the money elsewhere. While adding some younger players.

So you’re saying they’re “dumping salary” by trading away a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (and kicking in $20mm) for prospects so that they can turn around and “spend the money” in free agency to acquire . . . a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” to compete in 2026? Brilliant.

You are starting to catch on. They are trying to get younger and looking to the future while still being competitive next season. Hint, hint, attendance. I believe there's a chance Donovan or a Contreras package might bring the needed #2 type starting pitcher. If not, DeWitt is going to need to shell out some cash for that type pitcher through FA. In a longer term deal with a younger pitcher. If not, what's your starting pitching staff going to look like for next season? Stay tuned to see how this plays out.

[NYCardsFan]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

"They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?" That they are dumping salary, Stooge.

No kidding...so why will he shell out cash when he is dumping it...unbelievable

Dumping salary to spend the money elsewhere. While adding some younger players.

So you’re saying they’re “dumping salary” by trading away a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (and kicking in $20mm) for prospects so that they can turn around and “spend the money” in free agency to acquire . . . a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” to compete in 2026? Brilliant.

You are starting to catch on. They are trying to get younger and looking to the future while still being competitive next season. Hint, hint, attendance. I believe there's a chance Donovan or a Contreras package might bring the needed #2 type starting pitcher. If not, DeWitt is going to need to shell out some cash for that type pitcher through FA. In a longer term deal with a younger pitcher. Stay tuned to see how this plays out.

“Hint, hint”: box of rocks; bag of hammers.

"Stay tuned."

[Mort Gage]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

"They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?" That they are dumping salary, Stooge.

No kidding...so why will he shell out cash when he is dumping it...unbelievable

Dumping salary to spend the money elsewhere. While adding some younger players.

So you’re saying they’re “dumping salary” by trading away a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (and kicking in $20mm) for prospects so that they can turn around and “spend the money” in free agency to acquire . . . a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” to compete in 2026? Brilliant.

You are starting to catch on. They are trying to get younger and looking to the future while still being competitive next season. Hint, hint, attendance. I believe there's a chance Donovan or a Contreras package might bring the needed #2 type starting pitcher. If not, DeWitt is going to need to shell out some cash for that type pitcher through FA. In a longer term deal with a younger pitcher. Stay tuned to see how this plays out.

1) The Cards are not trying to be competitive next year. You may want them to be, but it's not their intent. Sorry

2) If they were trying to compete they would not have traded Gray

3) Neither Donovan nor Contreras will return the "needed #2 type starting pitcher". Part of Donovan's return may be a guy in A or AA who could develop into that type of pitcher, but no one like that for '26. Contreras is owed $41.5mm the next two years. Trading him would not net a haul. The Cards would need to eat cash and the return would be less than Gray's.

4) Other teams value young TOR pitchers highly. The Cardinals would have to dig deep into their prospect list to have any chance of netting one. This would defeat the purpose of their restocking the minor leagues with higher ceiling talent.

[Adam2]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

Who did you have in mind and at what cost? cease is gone. Framber Valdez has some serious concerns about his personality/trustworthiness.

[PadsFS07]

We already had a bargain #2 if you consider $20M a sunk cost.

[craviduce]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

Who did you have in mind and at what cost? cease is gone. Framber Valdez has some serious concerns about his personality/trustworthiness.

He has a thread around here somewhere with trading Jordan Walker for Bubba Chandler. "A savvy GM could do it". We can all see it : the Pirates will jump at the chance to disrupt their solid rotation for a flaked out prospect. Gotta get that #2, that's what a Savvy GM would do.

[Stlcardsblues]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

[Shady]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

Who did you have in mind and at what cost? cease is gone. Framber Valdez has some serious concerns about his personality/trustworthiness.

He has a thread around here somewhere with trading Jordan Walker for Bubba Chandler. "A savvy GM could do it". We can all see it : the Pirates will jump at the chance to disrupt their solid rotation for a flaked out prospect. Gotta get that #2, that's what a Savvy GM would do.

I still can't figure out why the forum guru is so concerned about what a lowlife poster like me posts. Guru is obsessed, indeed.

[Shady]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

Those two pitchers are the types I had in mind with this OP.

[Mort Gage]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

Those two pitchers are the types I had in mind with this OP.

Neither of those two are even remotely close to being #2 types at this stage. If they were they would be looking at deals with at least $25mm AAV.

[craviduce]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

Those two pitchers are the types I had in mind with this OP.

Neither of those two are even remotely close to being #2 types at this stage. If they were they would be looking at deals with at least $25mm AAV.

Mort, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, and he lies worse than cheap rug.

[Adam2]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

Those two pitchers are the types I had in mind with this OP.

those aren't 2s, they are 4-5 type pitchers. what in the world are you talking about

[Mort Gage]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

Those two pitchers are the types I had in mind with this OP.

Neither of those two are even remotely close to being #2 types at this stage. If they were they would be looking at deals with at least $25mm AAV.

Mort, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, and he lies worse than cheap rug.

Next comes the gaslighting attempt, where he claims he meant reclamation projects all along and we just weren't smart enough to get it.

[craviduce]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

Nor should they be. Sign a Dustin May or Walker Buhler type pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline. Let them eat innings the first half of the year then lets the kids take their spot after the trade.

Those two pitchers are the types I had in mind with this OP.

Neither of those two are even remotely close to being #2 types at this stage. If they were they would be looking at deals with at least $25mm AAV.

Mort, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, and he lies worse than cheap rug.

Next comes the gaslighting attempt, where he claims he meant reclamation projects all along and we just weren't smart enough to get it.

or when he tries to gaslight with very personal stuff. He's a nasty human being sometimes.

[TraveledLessRoad]

And DeWitt really needs to OK the money to sign that pitcher. Or maybe Bloom can get one in a trade. Probably, trading Donovan is the only possibility that route. Maybe a Contreras trade could. With Liberatore, McGreevy and Fitts, the Cardinals now have three pretty good #3 type starting pitchers.But that's not going to move the needle much from last season. If this scenario plays out, the Cardinals might surprise some people next season.

I don't think anybody we have on the trade block can bring that return

You are probably right. That's why DeWitt needs to shell out some cash for a quality FA starting pitcher to help make this team more competitive next season. And get more fans back in the stadium.

They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?

For the umpteenth time: They. Aren’t. Focused. On. Being. Competitive. Next. Season.

"They just traded away a legit “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (plus $20mm) for prospects. What does that tell you?" That they are dumping salary, Stooge.

No kidding...so why will he shell out cash when he is dumping it...unbelievable

Dumping salary to spend the money elsewhere. While adding some younger players.

So you’re saying they’re “dumping salary” by trading away a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” (and kicking in $20mm) for prospects so that they can turn around and “spend the money” in free agency to acquire . . . a “quality #2 type starting pitcher” to compete in 2026? Brilliant.

It's actually not as crazy or contradictive as many are making it out to be. There is a world where they could sign or trade for a #1/#2 if that pitcher is under contract for 4+ years. Through the rebuild and into our competitive window. Sonny Gray was not that, as his contract was all but up after this year.