Which of these trade packages is preferable involving Donovan?

[CorneliusWolfe]

No way we are getting Woo at those prices. None. We would have to add a couple of our top ten prospects just to get them not to hang up the phone.

No [shirt]. Woo is supposed to be a professional writer and that proposal is terrible and uninformed to say the least.

[Talkin' Baseball]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... 2603&ei=10

I would take scenario #3 - trade Donovan for Noah Cameron, straight up.

Cameron is the left-handed Michael McGreevy. Is that okay? He's a fine pitcher, but we just saw his ceiling. KC would jump on that.

After only one big league season, you are sure he cannot improve? IMO you could be wrong.

I'll concede that- it's an opinion.

[Shady]

Could somebody please post some better, more viable, trade possibilities involving Donovan than are in the article the OP references. Let's see it.

[mattmitchl44]

Could somebody please post some better, more viable, trade possibilities involving Donovan than are in the article the OP references. Let's see it.

If you believe BTV:

Mets - Nolan McLean +40.2

Cardinals - Brendan Donovan +32.1; Jojo Romero +1.3; Jordan Walker +5.4

I don't love putting Walker in this package, but if the Mets think that he has a lot of potentially untapped upside, that should put it over the top to where they'd deal McLean. Depending on what the Mets were willing to take, would rather send them Pages (+11.7) or Crooks (+11) instead of Romero & Walker.

[mattmitchl44]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... 2603&ei=10

I would take scenario #3 - trade Donovan for Noah Cameron, straight up.

Cameron is the left-handed Michael McGreevy. Is that okay? He's a fine pitcher, but we just saw his ceiling. KC would jump on that.

After only one big league season, you are sure he cannot improve? IMO you could be wrong.

Noah Cameron basically had the same year in 2025 as Matt Liberatore (by the peripherals), and at the same age (Liberatore is actually a few months younger).

Cameron - 138.1 IP, 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP, 1.8 fWAR (topped out as an FV 50 prospect)
Liberatore - 151.2 IP, 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP, 1.8 fWAR (topped out as an FV 50 prospect)

[CCard]

Way too much for Woo, imo to give Romero, Donovan, and Walker - overreach here. Really don't like most of those packages as while it would be wise to trade Donovan, that is only if we get a haul.

I can't believe ANY baseball fan would take the Woo proposal seriously, let alone think it's "too much" for Woo. Bryan Woo is one of the best young pitchers in the game and cost controlled for several years. In almost no scenario would Seattle even consider trading him. Theoretically, if they did decide to trade him, almost every team in MLB would be calling. Most assets in most organizations would be available. They wouldn't be targeting a 29 year old middling infielder and a prospect bust.

For one, Walker is our starting RF and Donovan is our starting 2nd baseman. I don't think I'd give two starters for a guy that starts every 5 days. Walker is too highly rated of a prospect to give up on him yet and Donovan is probably our 2nd best player. It's definitely an overpay in my opinion. Maybe Donovan and a lesser prospect. Maybe Donovan and Noot? They might jump at that. It's a lot to give up but Noot can't seem to stay on the field. I think he has TO syndrome. Some people are going to have a lot of egg on their faces if Walker turns the corner and becomes a star.

[mattmitchl44]

Way too much for Woo, imo to give Romero, Donovan, and Walker - overreach here. Really don't like most of those packages as while it would be wise to trade Donovan, that is only if we get a haul.

I can't believe ANY baseball fan would take the Woo proposal seriously, let alone think it's "too much" for Woo. Bryan Woo is one of the best young pitchers in the game and cost controlled for several years. In almost no scenario would Seattle even consider trading him. Theoretically, if they did decide to trade him, almost every team in MLB would be calling. Most assets in most organizations would be available. They wouldn't be targeting a 29 year old middling infielder and a prospect bust.

For one, Walker is our starting RF and Donovan is our starting 2nd baseman. I don't think I'd give two starters for a guy that starts every 5 days. Walker is too highly rated of a prospect to give up on him yet and Donovan is probably our 2nd best player. It's definitely an overpay in my opinion. Maybe Donovan and a lesser prospect. Maybe Donovan and Noot? They might jump at that. It's a lot to give up but Noot can't seem to stay on the field. I think he has TO syndrome. Some people are going to have a lot of egg on their faces if Walker turns the corner and becomes a star.

Walker is - by far - the most polarizing player for the Cardinals this offseason.

If you believe, and we would like to believe, that he can still become the 3, 4, 5 fWAR player that his tools suggested when he was 20 yr. old minor leaguer back in 2022, then you really don't want to "sell low" on him.

If you believe he's the -1.2 fWAR player he was in 2025 and is unredeemable, you want to trade him for whatever you can get.

As bad as everything has looked, since he'll only be 24 next year and you probably aren't getting but pennies on the dollar for him now anyway, I'd be very inclined to try to give him another year.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Way too much for Woo, imo to give Romero, Donovan, and Walker - overreach here. Really don't like most of those packages as while it would be wise to trade Donovan, that is only if we get a haul.

I can't believe ANY baseball fan would take the Woo proposal seriously, let alone think it's "too much" for Woo. Bryan Woo is one of the best young pitchers in the game and cost controlled for several years. In almost no scenario would Seattle even consider trading him. Theoretically, if they did decide to trade him, almost every team in MLB would be calling. Most assets in most organizations would be available. They wouldn't be targeting a 29 year old middling infielder and a prospect bust.

For one, Walker is our starting RF and Donovan is our starting 2nd baseman. I don't think I'd give two starters for a guy that starts every 5 days. Walker is too highly rated of a prospect to give up on him yet and Donovan is probably our 2nd best player. It's definitely an overpay in my opinion. Maybe Donovan and a lesser prospect. Maybe Donovan and Noot? They might jump at that. It's a lot to give up but Noot can't seem to stay on the field. I think he has TO syndrome. Some people are going to have a lot of egg on their faces if Walker turns the corner and becomes a star.

It doesn't matter what kind of package you offer them, the Mariners are not trading Woo. They are a serious, top-tier World Series contender. That is their goal and how they are going about putting together their team. Woo isn't just nice to have, or important to their goal- he is NECESSARY for them to win a World Series. They aren't trading Bryan Woo.

[Shady]

Before trading Donovan, maybe Bloom should hold off and see how things look after trading Arenado, Nootbaar and maybe Gorman and Contreras. If he could, somehow, acquire another good starting pitcher. Obviously, two would be better. (Spend some loot, DeWitt).The Cardinals might be fairly competitive next season. Keeping in mind the offense is adding Wetherholt and Bloom has position flexibility with Burleson.

[CCard]

Way too much for Woo, imo to give Romero, Donovan, and Walker - overreach here. Really don't like most of those packages as while it would be wise to trade Donovan, that is only if we get a haul.

I can't believe ANY baseball fan would take the Woo proposal seriously, let alone think it's "too much" for Woo. Bryan Woo is one of the best young pitchers in the game and cost controlled for several years. In almost no scenario would Seattle even consider trading him. Theoretically, if they did decide to trade him, almost every team in MLB would be calling. Most assets in most organizations would be available. They wouldn't be targeting a 29 year old middling infielder and a prospect bust.

For one, Walker is our starting RF and Donovan is our starting 2nd baseman. I don't think I'd give two starters for a guy that starts every 5 days. Walker is too highly rated of a prospect to give up on him yet and Donovan is probably our 2nd best player. It's definitely an overpay in my opinion. Maybe Donovan and a lesser prospect. Maybe Donovan and Noot? They might jump at that. It's a lot to give up but Noot can't seem to stay on the field. I think he has TO syndrome. Some people are going to have a lot of egg on their faces if Walker turns the corner and becomes a star.

It doesn't matter what kind of package you offer them, the Mariners are not trading Woo. They are a serious, top-tier World Series contender. That is their goal and how they are going about putting together their team. Woo isn't just nice to have, or important to their goal- he is NECESSARY for them to win a World Series. They aren't trading Bryan Woo.

You may well be right. Though stranger things have happened. I would think it would take Doyle and a handful of others to get him and that is a steep price. I would prefer they jump into the free agent market and get an established starter with upside. We know how they hate to pay.

[CCard]

Way too much for Woo, imo to give Romero, Donovan, and Walker - overreach here. Really don't like most of those packages as while it would be wise to trade Donovan, that is only if we get a haul.

I can't believe ANY baseball fan would take the Woo proposal seriously, let alone think it's "too much" for Woo. Bryan Woo is one of the best young pitchers in the game and cost controlled for several years. In almost no scenario would Seattle even consider trading him. Theoretically, if they did decide to trade him, almost every team in MLB would be calling. Most assets in most organizations would be available. They wouldn't be targeting a 29 year old middling infielder and a prospect bust.

For one, Walker is our starting RF and Donovan is our starting 2nd baseman. I don't think I'd give two starters for a guy that starts every 5 days. Walker is too highly rated of a prospect to give up on him yet and Donovan is probably our 2nd best player. It's definitely an overpay in my opinion. Maybe Donovan and a lesser prospect. Maybe Donovan and Noot? They might jump at that. It's a lot to give up but Noot can't seem to stay on the field. I think he has TO syndrome. Some people are going to have a lot of egg on their faces if Walker turns the corner and becomes a star.

Walker is - by far - the most polarizing player for the Cardinals this offseason.

If you believe, and we would like to believe, that he can still become the 3, 4, 5 fWAR player that his tools suggested when he was 20 yr. old minor leaguer back in 2022, then you really don't want to "sell low" on him.

If you believe he's the -1.2 fWAR player he was in 2025 and is unredeemable, you want to trade him for whatever you can get.

As bad as everything has looked, since he'll only be 24 next year and you probably aren't getting but pennies on the dollar for him now anyway, I'd be very inclined to try to give him another year.

Yeah, I agree with you on that. The only exception would be if an established star were to fall into their laps. I don't see that happening. To me though it would depend on the situation. If they are contending for a playoff spot at the all-star break and he's just killing them, then you have to send him down if you have another option. If on the other hand, they suck hard and long, then that's a different question. I'm hoping to see major improvement by him but who knows. He has the tools to be Judge-like but can he use those tools anywhere near like Judge is the question. I guess we'll see.

[12xu]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... 2603&ei=10

I would take scenario #3 - trade Donovan for Noah Cameron, straight up.

Cameron is the left-handed Michael McGreevy. Is that okay? He's a fine pitcher, but we just saw his ceiling. KC would jump on that.

After only one big league season, you are sure he cannot improve? IMO you could be wrong.

Noah Cameron basically had the same year in 2025 as Matt Liberatore (by the peripherals), and at the same age (Liberatore is actually a few months younger).

Cameron - 138.1 IP, 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP, 1.8 fWAR (topped out as an FV 50 prospect)
Liberatore - 151.2 IP, 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP, 1.8 fWAR (topped out as an FV 50 prospect)

Cameron ERA - 2.99 Liberatore ERA - 4.21 Cameron ERA+ 137 Liberatore ERA+ 97 Cameron WAR 3.8 Liberatore WAR 1.0
Cameron put up these numbers as a rookie, while Liberatore was performing in his 4th MLB season.

[NYCardsFan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/th ... 2603&ei=10

I would take scenario #3 - trade Donovan for Noah Cameron, straight up.

Cameron is the left-handed Michael McGreevy. Is that okay? He's a fine pitcher, but we just saw his ceiling. KC would jump on that.

After only one big league season, you are sure he cannot improve? IMO you could be wrong.

Noah Cameron basically had the same year in 2025 as Matt Liberatore (by the peripherals), and at the same age (Liberatore is actually a few months younger).

Cameron - 138.1 IP, 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP, 1.8 fWAR (topped out as an FV 50 prospect)
Liberatore - 151.2 IP, 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP, 1.8 fWAR (topped out as an FV 50 prospect)

Cameron ERA - 2.99 Liberatore ERA - 4.21 Cameron ERA+ 137 Liberatore ERA+ 97 Cameron WAR 3.8 Liberatore WAR 1.0
Cameron put up these numbers as a rookie, while Liberatore was performing in his 4th MLB season.

They were pretty similar pitchers, but Cameron had much better batted-ball "luck":

Pitcher / K% / BB% / (K% - BB%) / ERA- / FIP- / xFIP- / SIERA / BABIP-against
Cameron: 20.5/7.7/12.8/71/100/98//4.33/.241
Liberatore: 18.8/6.2/12.7/102/99/104/4.40/.300

[scoutyjones2]

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Shut up Bobo