Re: Fernando Tatis Jr
Posted: 12 Nov 2025 12:50 pm
My mistake. I thought older
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My mistake. I thought older
That was one of the first questions that came to my mind as well "do the Padres need these players?" They did acquire Ryan O'Hearn at the deadline, and he's a UFA. Burleson is a similar player. Arraez is a FA as well. Donovan could replace him as a high OBP infielder, thought Arraez played mostly 1B. Donovan (or Burleson if they are brave) could get time in the OF to offset Tatis' if they'd rather stick with other options on the infield (Cronenworth, and Sheets). Though they do need a DH, getting two quality bats that have flexibility is a solid start to an offer, but I'm sure other teams could put together more attractive packages.
Tatis will be 27 when the next season starts, and he's probably more of a 5-6 WAR player (small chance he gets to 6.5 or 7+ WAR). He's also a RF not a LF.ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025 23:48 pm200 mil?
I counted 286 mi and 9 years.
I respect Tatis's great defense, but post roids, he's like an .810 OPS player.
He's young. I think he could be really good for a while. But I don't know if I want to give up the majority of our resources for a left fielder.
But it is interesting.
How's he look at 3B?rbirules wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:42 pmTatis will be 27 when the next season starts, and he's probably more of a 5-6 WAR player (small chance he gets to 6.5 or 7+ WAR). He's also a RF not a LF.ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025 23:48 pm200 mil?
I counted 286 mi and 9 years.
I respect Tatis's great defense, but post roids, he's like an .810 OPS player.
He's young. I think he could be really good for a while. But I don't know if I want to give up the majority of our resources for a left fielder.
But it is interesting.
He's owed the following by year . . .
2026 - Age 27, $20M
2027 - Age 28, $25M
2028 - Age 29, $25M
2029 - Age 30, $36M
2030 - Age 31, $36M
2031 - Age 32, $36M
2032 - Age 33, $36M
2033 - Age 34, $36M
2034 - Age 35, $36M
Total - 9 years, $286M
I agree with your point, it's a lot to give up for a 27 year old corner OF essentially on a top FA contract (the cheap years are gone). But he's 27 not 29 or 30 like most FAs, he's still a very good hitter (if not elite), and a great defender.
As I said before, you only consider this move if ownership is going to reverse course and spend resources to be good in 2026, or 2027 at the latest. It's very interesting as players like this, at this age, are rarely available, let alone ones already locked up long term.
We desperately need some OF production do we not? We have options for 3B (Gorman, Saggese, Donovan if not traded, JJW if not at 2B), none of which I really want to push to a corner OF spot. I'm sure Tatis could play 3B, but he's a very good defensive OF and the alternative is probably playing a bad defender in RF if Tatis is at 3B, so I'm not sure the net WAR gain, across both spots, would be much, if anything.renostl wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:51 pmHow's he look at 3B?rbirules wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:42 pmTatis will be 27 when the next season starts, and he's probably more of a 5-6 WAR player (small chance he gets to 6.5 or 7+ WAR). He's also a RF not a LF.ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025 23:48 pm200 mil?
I counted 286 mi and 9 years.
I respect Tatis's great defense, but post roids, he's like an .810 OPS player.
He's young. I think he could be really good for a while. But I don't know if I want to give up the majority of our resources for a left fielder.
But it is interesting.
He's owed the following by year . . .
2026 - Age 27, $20M
2027 - Age 28, $25M
2028 - Age 29, $25M
2029 - Age 30, $36M
2030 - Age 31, $36M
2031 - Age 32, $36M
2032 - Age 33, $36M
2033 - Age 34, $36M
2034 - Age 35, $36M
Total - 9 years, $286M
I agree with your point, it's a lot to give up for a 27 year old corner OF essentially on a top FA contract (the cheap years are gone). But he's 27 not 29 or 30 like most FAs, he's still a very good hitter (if not elite), and a great defender.
As I said before, you only consider this move if ownership is going to reverse course and spend resources to be good in 2026, or 2027 at the latest. It's very interesting as players like this, at this age, are rarely available, let alone ones already locked up long term.
One of the reasons he was pushed to the OF was that
he couldn't be pushed to 3B due to Manny.
The WAR may go up a notch.
Sure they've need OF for what seems like a decade.rbirules wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:56 pmWe desperately need some OF production do we not? We have options for 3B (Gorman, Saggese, Donovan if not traded, JJW if not at 2B), none of which I really want to push to a corner OF spot. I'm sure Tatis could play 3B, but he's a very good defensive OF and the alternative is probably playing a bad defender in RF if Tatis is at 3B, so I'm not sure the net WAR gain, across both spots, would be much, if anything.renostl wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:51 pmHow's he look at 3B?rbirules wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:42 pmTatis will be 27 when the next season starts, and he's probably more of a 5-6 WAR player (small chance he gets to 6.5 or 7+ WAR). He's also a RF not a LF.ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025 23:48 pm200 mil?
I counted 286 mi and 9 years.
I respect Tatis's great defense, but post roids, he's like an .810 OPS player.
He's young. I think he could be really good for a while. But I don't know if I want to give up the majority of our resources for a left fielder.
But it is interesting.
He's owed the following by year . . .
2026 - Age 27, $20M
2027 - Age 28, $25M
2028 - Age 29, $25M
2029 - Age 30, $36M
2030 - Age 31, $36M
2031 - Age 32, $36M
2032 - Age 33, $36M
2033 - Age 34, $36M
2034 - Age 35, $36M
Total - 9 years, $286M
I agree with your point, it's a lot to give up for a 27 year old corner OF essentially on a top FA contract (the cheap years are gone). But he's 27 not 29 or 30 like most FAs, he's still a very good hitter (if not elite), and a great defender.
As I said before, you only consider this move if ownership is going to reverse course and spend resources to be good in 2026, or 2027 at the latest. It's very interesting as players like this, at this age, are rarely available, let alone ones already locked up long term.
One of the reasons he was pushed to the OF was that
he couldn't be pushed to 3B due to Manny.
The WAR may go up a notch.
Adding a young star like F. Tatis makes perfect sense giving C. Bloom two players (JJW) to build around for the next decade (assuming JJW pans out and is extended)!rbirules wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 13:42 pmTatis will be 27 when the next season starts, and he's probably more of a 5-6 WAR player (small chance he gets to 6.5 or 7+ WAR). He's also a RF not a LF.ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025 23:48 pm200 mil?
I counted 286 mi and 9 years.
I respect Tatis's great defense, but post roids, he's like an .810 OPS player.
He's young. I think he could be really good for a while. But I don't know if I want to give up the majority of our resources for a left fielder.
But it is interesting.
He's owed the following by year . . .
2026 - Age 27, $20M
2027 - Age 28, $25M
2028 - Age 29, $25M
2029 - Age 30, $36M
2030 - Age 31, $36M
2031 - Age 32, $36M
2032 - Age 33, $36M
2033 - Age 34, $36M
2034 - Age 35, $36M
Total - 9 years, $286M
I agree with your point, it's a lot to give up for a 27 year old corner OF essentially on a top FA contract (the cheap years are gone). But he's 27 not 29 or 30 like most FAs, he's still a very good hitter (if not elite), and a great defender.
As I said before, you only consider this move if ownership is going to reverse course and spend resources to be good in 2026, or 2027 at the latest. It's very interesting as players like this, at this age, are rarely available, let alone ones already locked up long term.
It does seem like the Padres need SP, Rains' suggestion of including Gray in the deal is interesting. It's short term increase or neutral (if the Cardinals buy down his contract) while getting the Padres out of a long term deal. Obviously more would need to be added, but that's an interesting piece to include in a trade proposal.rage-STL wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:23 pm For a team that needs more “pillars” and less “fillers” here’s an idea for Cardinals – trade for Fernando Tatis Jr.
Article from Rob Rains at STL Sports Page today.
Gray can be under control for 2 seasons for them, I think.rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 13:22 pmIt does seem like the Padres need SP, Rains' suggestion of including Gray in the deal is interesting. It's short term increase or neutral (if the Cardinals buy down his contract) while getting the Padres out of a long term deal. Obviously more would need to be added, but that's an interesting piece to include in a trade proposal.rage-STL wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:23 pm For a team that needs more “pillars” and less “fillers” here’s an idea for Cardinals – trade for Fernando Tatis Jr.
Article from Rob Rains at STL Sports Page today.
Yes, Gray has an option for 2027. Gray has little value on his own, especially compared to Tatis, so you'd definitely need to add significant value in addition to him. I mean if they want Gray I assume they plan to compete in 2026, so players like Donovan or Burleson would probably have some interest.renostl wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:08 pmGray can be under control for 2 seasons for them, I think.rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 13:22 pmIt does seem like the Padres need SP, Rains' suggestion of including Gray in the deal is interesting. It's short term increase or neutral (if the Cardinals buy down his contract) while getting the Padres out of a long term deal. Obviously more would need to be added, but that's an interesting piece to include in a trade proposal.rage-STL wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:23 pm For a team that needs more “pillars” and less “fillers” here’s an idea for Cardinals – trade for Fernando Tatis Jr.
Article from Rob Rains at STL Sports Page today.
I'm not sure what the additional pieces would look like. Would SD want prospects
or something for the 26?
It was reported today that the Padres (the Seidler family) have formally engaged bankers and are exploring a sale of the team. Preller reportedly has limited flexibility. Unclear how that context affects any potential Tatis deal, though one suspects they would be looking for fairly short-term contractual liabilities coming back to them in any deal.rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:02 pmYes, Gray has an option for 2027. Gray has little value on his own, especially compared to Tatis, so you'd definitely need to add significant value in addition to him. I mean if they want Gray I assume they plan to compete in 2026, so players like Donovan or Burleson would probably have some interest.renostl wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:08 pmGray can be under control for 2 seasons for them, I think.rbirules wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 13:22 pmIt does seem like the Padres need SP, Rains' suggestion of including Gray in the deal is interesting. It's short term increase or neutral (if the Cardinals buy down his contract) while getting the Padres out of a long term deal. Obviously more would need to be added, but that's an interesting piece to include in a trade proposal.rage-STL wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:23 pm For a team that needs more “pillars” and less “fillers” here’s an idea for Cardinals – trade for Fernando Tatis Jr.
Article from Rob Rains at STL Sports Page today.
I'm not sure what the additional pieces would look like. Would SD want prospects
or something for the 26?
I think it comes down to what San Diego ownership (who's trying to sell) wants. Do they want to strip the team of long term deals to sell it? Do they want shorter term deals (or slightly fewer long term deals) but a team positioned to contend still?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:08 pm The cardinals don’t get tatis unless they give up JJ and or Doyle and other prospects. People thinking that they would be able to trade some meh to decent players like gray burleson and Donovan for him are wrong
I agree but Gray, Donny, Crooks, a prospect (not JJ or Doyle) and $20 million would help them out a lot. It would be worth trying but I think a lot of other teams could beat that offer.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:08 pm The cardinals don’t get tatis unless they give up JJ and or Doyle and other prospects. People thinking that they would be able to trade some meh to decent players like gray burleson and Donovan for him are wrong