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WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:03 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:48 pm Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

Assuming the Cards trade Gray, I think Libby and McGreevy basically become untouchable by default/necessity as the only returning SP for the ML rotation. They couldn't afford to create more holes in that scenario. Already need to sign/acquire two SPs at least, can't make it three.

And no, putting Pallante back in the rotation is not an option they should entertain.

Is Leahy actually a viable starting pitching possibility?

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:51 am

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

Soto?

and no...Soto is/was worth more than Winn.

Winn could be a long-term fixture at a critical defensive position for a team, not a short term fix like Soto was.

At the time of his trade to the Padres, Juan Soto’s estimated surplus value on BTV was $150mm. By comparison, Masyn Winn’s current estimated surplus value is $37.8mm.

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:03 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:48 pm Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

Assuming the Cards trade Gray, I think Libby and McGreevy basically become untouchable by default/necessity as the only returning SP for the ML rotation. They couldn't afford to create more holes in that scenario. Already need to sign/acquire two SPs at least, can't make it three.

And no, putting Pallante back in the rotation is not an option they should entertain.

This

McGreevy will be a work horse...probably (most likely) a 3.50-4.00 ERA for his years of control with the Cards. You can extend that, lord knows the Cards need a steady hand like his in the rotation. Sign him...sign him/extend him now....health hasn't been an issue for him in his 5 year pro career. And you won't have to break the bank to do so. We have RHP deficit in the minors at the moment. McGreevy's value is extremely high.

BTV aside. A young, speedy, Gold Glove SS with a cannon arm is hard to come by. That's why the Cardinals would be foolish to trade Winn, right now. Unless the haul was comparable to what the Nationals got for Soto.

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:05 am

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:03 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:48 pm Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

Assuming the Cards trade Gray, I think Libby and McGreevy basically become untouchable by default/necessity as the only returning SP for the ML rotation. They couldn't afford to create more holes in that scenario. Already need to sign/acquire two SPs at least, can't make it three.

And no, putting Pallante back in the rotation is not an option they should entertain.

Is Leahy actually a viable starting pitching possibility?

Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. Hasn't been a full time starter since 2022. Not a guy to pencil in during the off-season, but perhaps the guy you turn to as the 6th or 7th starter due to injuries. Similar to Zach Thompson.

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:55 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

H A T E R

don't say nuffin' bad about MyManMasyn

Scouty & I are bad boys

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Soto.

WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:03 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:48 pm Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

Assuming the Cards trade Gray, I think Libby and McGreevy basically become untouchable by default/necessity as the only returning SP for the ML rotation. They couldn't afford to create more holes in that scenario. Already need to sign/acquire two SPs at least, can't make it three.

And no, putting Pallante back in the rotation is not an option they should entertain.

I agree with your statements.

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 18:53 pm Winn is not untouchable...because there's a non-zero chance that whoever is Sacramento's GM would give us Kurtz for Winn.

It would take a trade like that.

Are you saying you think there's even a 1 percent chance the As would trade Kurtz for Masyn?

Nope. But I guess it's *theoretically* possible.

If Leahy fails as a starter, I think the backup plan would be to bring up a rookie starter. This is assuming the Cards have 4 solid starters .

Shady wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 17:01 pm Will Bloom entertain offers for all others? Why not, if it's a deal than can help the team?

Sort of an open ended question with no answer. Gotta know what the return is before I could say. I suspect both will not be involved in any serious trade discussions. However as I have said before I would love to see what a Winn and or Donovan could get you in a trade.

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 12:06 pm If Leahy fails as a starter, I think the backup plan would be to bring up a rookie starter. This is assuming the Cards have 4 solid starters .

In 2026, a "solid starter" will likely be someone who answers the call every 5 days....expecting anything else is irrational? Maybe "irrational" is not the best word...but maybe it is?

Expectations should be lowered by the fan base. We aren't aiming to compete in 2026. If 4 or 5 pitchers perform well then that's an unexpected bonus.

BUMP

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:07 pm
Historically, chopping block conjecture waited until after Thanksgiving.
W/W is our nucleus. Ride it, don’t trade it.
Next caller.

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 12:06 pm If Leahy fails as a starter, I think the backup plan would be to bring up a rookie starter. This is assuming the Cards have 4 solid starters .

I wouldn't be surprised to see C. Bloom either trade for an under-the-radar, sneaky good starting pitcher (he once landed Nick Pivetta for relievers Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree) or sign one on the cheap (cheap being the operative word since BDWJr isn't likely to sign off any FA costing more than $10M).

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:08 amThis

McGreevy will be a work horse...probably (most likely) a 3.50-4.00 ERA for his years of control with the Cards. You can extend that, lord knows the Cards need a steady hand like his in the rotation. Sign him...sign him/extend him now....health hasn't been an issue for him in his 5 year pro career. And you won't have to break the bank to do so. We have RHP deficit in the minors at the moment. McGreevy's value is extremely high.

Good point. The guy might not be anything more than a 4th or 5th starter, but those guys are important. Especially when you have a home grown one that you can hold onto for awhile. You need to be able to pump those guys out from your minors. Then you don't have to spend a ton of money on guys like Lynn, Gibson, and Mikolas.

You just don't want all your prospects turning out like him. You gotta try for guys with higher ceilings.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 13:20 pm

redbirdfan51 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 12:06 pm If Leahy fails as a starter, I think the backup plan would be to bring up a rookie starter. This is assuming the Cards have 4 solid starters .

I wouldn't be surprised to see C. Bloom either trade for an under-the-radar, sneaky good starting pitcher (he once landed Nick Pivetta for relievers Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree) or sign one on the cheap (cheap being the operative word since BDWJr isn't likely to sign off any FA costing more than $10M).

Dustin May.