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Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 08:17 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:12 pm

icon wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 15:11 pm

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 15:09 pm I think this public proclamation means that talks with Bloom didn’t go well.

I think you may be right. He didn't mention the Cardinals at all.

I hadn't thought of that but you are probably right. Bloom is an outsider. Doesn't know Molina and might be worried Molina would be too strong willed.

Or perhaps Bloom will eventually do what many on here would like - replace Marmol with an established winner as manager.

Your dislike of Bloom before he’s even really begun is very strange.

How do I dislike him?

1. In another thread you claimed that “Bloom let it be known he would listen on Donovan”and you eventually decided that “Bloom must now trade Donovan”, which you are against.
2.In this thread you theorize that Bloom “might be worried Molina is too strong-willed”.

Perhaps you don’t dislike Bloom.

But you have yet to post anything remotely positive about him.

The one thing that I know is in Bloom’s favor - he’s not the condescending, lazy, inept clown that he replaced.

Here's one example the potential problem I see with Molina on Marmol's staff.

In August Pallante had an ERA of 8.67 and despite the obvious tired arm Marmol left him in to throw 90 + pitches in 5 of 6 August starts. I could be wrong but my perception of Molina is he doesn't have the temperament to sit quietly and watch that level of stupidity.

By the way in September Marmol for whatever reason only had Pallante throw 90 + pitches once and Pallante's ERA dropped by half to 4.82.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:19 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:25 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 08:17 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 22:12 pm

icon wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 15:11 pm

Galatians221jb1 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 15:09 pm I think this public proclamation means that talks with Bloom didn’t go well.

I think you may be right. He didn't mention the Cardinals at all.

I hadn't thought of that but you are probably right. Bloom is an outsider. Doesn't know Molina and might be worried Molina would be too strong willed.

Or perhaps Bloom will eventually do what many on here would like - replace Marmol with an established winner as manager.

Your dislike of Bloom before he’s even really begun is very strange.

How do I dislike him?

1. In another thread you claimed that “Bloom let it be known he would listen on Donovan”and you eventually decided that “Bloom must now trade Donovan”, which you are against.
2.In this thread you theorize that Bloom “might be worried Molina is too strong-willed”.

Perhaps you don’t dislike Bloom.

But you have yet to post anything remotely positive about him.

The one thing that I know is in Bloom’s favor - he’s not the condescending, lazy, inept clown that he replaced.

After going public with a desire to trade the player you don't think he now has to trade him? Do I need to post to a link as to the downside of keeping Donovan now? It's simply a fact. Doesn't mean I dislike Bloom.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

What “seasoned” veteran manager would be a better choice than Yadi or Albert? People will say what retread that has failed at least once do you want?

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:03 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

What “seasoned” veteran manager would be a better choice than Yadi or Albert? People will say what retread that has failed at least once do you want?

Well….if you want a non seasoned manager….there are several former players available

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:03 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

What “seasoned” veteran manager would be a better choice than Yadi or Albert? People will say what retread that has failed at least once do you want?

Just about any manager failed at least once.

The reason why Albert and Yadier haven't? They literally do not have experience.

Your argument kinda isn't good, man. The list of great players who didn't make good managers is lengthy. If Molina and Pujols DO become great managers, they join a very short list.

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:30 am

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:03 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

What “seasoned” veteran manager would be a better choice than Yadi or Albert? People will say what retread that has failed at least once do you want?

Just about any manager failed at least once.

The reason why Albert and Yadier haven't? They literally do not have experience.

Your argument kinda isn't good, man. The list of great players who didn't make good managers is lengthy. If Molina and Pujols DO become great managers, they join a very short list.

It’s not that short. Be a little less lazy and check the history books.

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:36 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:30 am

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:03 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

What “seasoned” veteran manager would be a better choice than Yadi or Albert? People will say what retread that has failed at least once do you want?

Just about any manager failed at least once.

The reason why Albert and Yadier haven't? They literally do not have experience.

Your argument kinda isn't good, man. The list of great players who didn't make good managers is lengthy. If Molina and Pujols DO become great managers, they join a very short list.

It’s not that short. Be a little less lazy and check the history books.

Enlighten me.

Ted Williams didn't do that great
Ryne Sandberg didn't look great
Frank Robinson was meh
Yogi Berra was so so.

Joe Torre did good, no doubt.
Dusty Baker, to a lesser degree.

Enlighten me further.

Notice it's after MO is gone. Hopefully the toxicity from the front office is gone.

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:36 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 09:30 am

brianstlou2 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:03 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 13:05 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 12:29 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025 11:59 am

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:15 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025 16:13 pm other than his being a big name what does hiring yadi as manager accomplish?

Nothing.

I love Yadi and I always will, but I will ALWAYS shy away from hiring legends.

Because when (always when) you have to let the guy go, you're not just letting the manager go, you're firing the legend.

Sorry Strummer, buts that's weak. Not hiring somebody who is qualified and is needed because you are afraid of what a future ending might look like? That's like not marrying your girl because you are afraid it might end in a divorce one day. If his managing doesnt work out, so be it. But that doesnt take away from his time as franchise great player.

You clearly know nothing about marriage or running a baseball team.

I'm saying not taking the leap because you think it might one day end in a firing is ridiculous. What if he is fantastic and manages for the Birds for the next 20 years?

Name one manager who's managed any team for 20 years in the past 40. The longest tenured manager is Kevin Cash, who's managed Tampa since the '15 season.

The last time anyone's lasted 20 or more years with one team was Bobby Cox.

Could it work, sure. But the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. And I'm not going to gamble on those small odds. If he wants to make his bones managing elsewhere, and then wants to come here? Sure, why not.

But aren't we all sick of first year managers anyway?

What “seasoned” veteran manager would be a better choice than Yadi or Albert? People will say what retread that has failed at least once do you want?

Just about any manager failed at least once.

The reason why Albert and Yadier haven't? They literally do not have experience.

Your argument kinda isn't good, man. The list of great players who didn't make good managers is lengthy. If Molina and Pujols DO become great managers, they join a very short list.

It’s not that short. Be a little less lazy and check the history books.

Read Strummer’s reply. He’s correct. Very few star players became good managers. The best managers with the highest winning percentages were journeymen at best. Joe Torre, with his stacked Yankees teams was one exception, although Joe was a very good player, but not a true star. Dustbag Baker is in the same category. On the flip side look at Casey Stengel, Walter Alston, Sparky Anderson, Chuck Tanner, Red Schoendienst (and no, Red was a good, not great player), Al Lopez, Danny Murtaugh, Earl Weaver, Bobby Cox, Jeff Torborg, Tony LaRussa, et al. NONE made the HOF as a player or were even close, yet their cumulative W-L record would astound you. The players who made the HOF as players then went on to manage have a cumulative record below 0.500. YOU look it up. Maybe you are the lazy one.