Harry S Deals wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 15:25 pm
421GP 45 155 200pts +34 Justin Faulk in STL...I'll take that for $6.5 million right now and Faulks contract is up next season if hes still here. No issues for me at all
That 6.5 was during Covid times man. Has nothing to do with contracts today
No it wasn’t, Blues extended Faulk in Sept. of ‘19.
The point is that the money was tight. Cap was lower. Uncertainty was high. Covid started months after, although who knows when it actually started
Uncertainty was high 6 months before COVID?
Again, no it wasn’t. The Blues signed Faulk when most would assume the cap would rise as it always had before and now is again.
This information is all available via a simple google search. There are plenty of things to criticize (like Krug) without making things up.
There was no major talk about cap explosion any time soon at that time. I dont need google. Contracts reflected that. Many felt Faulk was overpaid and that the term was ridiculous
I didn’t say cap explosion. You did say Faulk was re-signed during COVID. Which is untrue. Simple stuff.
I don't know about "explosion" but it was pretty good financial times in America. The cap absolutely looked to be going UP, UP, UP
It wasn't a bad contract at all IMO......until you break down the details of the Blues situation and even then it wasn't something I loved but still not terrible. The Krug signing was terrible and even worse within the context of the situation.
Either way there is no way we should have paid either of them 6.5 million and not been willing to give Petro 8.5ish.
8.5
AND the guaranteed signing bonuses
AND the NMC.
What was Petro willing to compromise on again? Negotiations are a two way street.
They seem to be one sided to me...."Army, bend over and grab your ankles or else..."
Petro chose to leave. Bottom line.
Krug was an offensive defenseman and Army was trying to move the team towards more speed and offense. The Krug contract never bothered me that much. He's injured so it doesn't hurt us at all.
People seem to forget the 1st 2 years of that deal Krug scored 75 pts. in 115 games and was a +34.
The only people that were still crying after those 1st 2 years had man crushes on Petro and are still waiting for Adin Hill to start for Team Canada.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 15:25 pm
421GP 45 155 200pts +34 Justin Faulk in STL...I'll take that for $6.5 million right now and Faulks contract is up next season if hes still here. No issues for me at all
That 6.5 was during Covid times man. Has nothing to do with contracts today
No it wasn’t, Blues extended Faulk in Sept. of ‘19.
The point is that the money was tight. Cap was lower. Uncertainty was high. Covid started months after, although who knows when it actually started
Uncertainty was high 6 months before COVID?
Again, no it wasn’t. The Blues signed Faulk when most would assume the cap would rise as it always had before and now is again.
This information is all available via a simple google search. There are plenty of things to criticize (like Krug) without making things up.
There was no major talk about cap explosion any time soon at that time. I dont need google. Contracts reflected that. Many felt Faulk was overpaid and that the term was ridiculous
I didn’t say cap explosion. You did say Faulk was re-signed during COVID. Which is untrue. Simple stuff.
I don't know about "explosion" but it was pretty good financial times in America. The cap absolutely looked to be going UP, UP, UP
It wasn't a bad contract at all IMO......until you break down the details of the Blues situation and even then it wasn't something I loved but still not terrible. The Krug signing was terrible and even worse within the context of the situation.
Either way there is no way we should have paid either of them 6.5 million and not been willing to give Petro 8.5ish.
8.5
AND the guaranteed signing bonuses
AND the NMC.
What was Petro willing to compromise on again? Negotiations are a two way street.
They seem to be one sided to me...."Army, bend over and grab your ankles or else..."
Petro chose to leave. Bottom line.
Krug was an offensive defenseman and Army was trying to move the team towards more speed and offense. The Krug contract never bothered me that much. He's injured so it doesn't hurt us at all.
People seem to forget the 1st 2 years of that deal Krug scored 75 pts. in 115 games and was a +34.
The only people that were still crying after those 1st 2 years had man crushes on Petro and are still waiting for Adin Hill to start for Team Canada.
dhsux wrote: ↑07 Oct 2025 17:42 pm
I'm telling ya the Oil fan board is 80% good with this signing.
They have watched him for a relatively short period albeit what they consider solid play through the play offs.
For me, he did have 40 points last year but the 7 year term is just not responsible.
Given the choice RIGHT NOW between Fowler and his contract for the Blues and Walman and his for the Oilers it's a dumber.
For me this is exactly why they can't win a cup, you can't take 20 point players and put them on the pp with superstar 120 point players the pay them like they are 40-50 points players because your superstars elevated their stats.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 15:25 pm
421GP 45 155 200pts +34 Justin Faulk in STL...I'll take that for $6.5 million right now and Faulks contract is up next season if hes still here. No issues for me at all
That 6.5 was during Covid times man. Has nothing to do with contracts today
No it wasn’t, Blues extended Faulk in Sept. of ‘19.
The point is that the money was tight. Cap was lower. Uncertainty was high. Covid started months after, although who knows when it actually started
Uncertainty was high 6 months before COVID?
Again, no it wasn’t. The Blues signed Faulk when most would assume the cap would rise as it always had before and now is again.
This information is all available via a simple google search. There are plenty of things to criticize (like Krug) without making things up.
There was no major talk about cap explosion any time soon at that time. I dont need google. Contracts reflected that. Many felt Faulk was overpaid and that the term was ridiculous
I didn’t say cap explosion. You did say Faulk was re-signed during COVID. Which is untrue. Simple stuff.
I don't know about "explosion" but it was pretty good financial times in America. The cap absolutely looked to be going UP, UP, UP
It wasn't a bad contract at all IMO......until you break down the details of the Blues situation and even then it wasn't something I loved but still not terrible. The Krug signing was terrible and even worse within the context of the situation.
Either way there is no way we should have paid either of them 6.5 million and not been willing to give Petro 8.5ish.
8.5
AND the guaranteed signing bonuses
AND the NMC.
What was Petro willing to compromise on again? Negotiations are a two way street.
They seem to be one sided to me...."Army, bend over and grab your ankles or else..."
Petro chose to leave. Bottom line.
Krug was an offensive defenseman and Army was trying to move the team towards more speed and offense. The Krug contract never bothered me that much. He's injured so it doesn't hurt us at all.
People seem to forget the 1st 2 years of that deal Krug scored 75 pts. in 115 games and was a +34.
The only people that were still crying after those 1st 2 years had man crushes on Petro and are still waiting for Adin Hill to start for Team Canada.
It was 9.5 x 8. Petro's contact ask was matching what the Norris Trophy winner got. He held out of camp in 2013 until he got the deal Erik Karlsson signed the year before 7 years x 6.5 million. Josi wanted 9.5 x 8 so that was Petro's ask. Along with the bonuses, full NMC and everything else. He settled for 8.8 with Vegas.
Spot on.