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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:12 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:09 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Boston farm system rankings:
2019: 30th
2020: 25th
2021: 24th
2022: 14th
2023: 16th
2024: 3rd
2025: 3rd

What part of "are they really a contender?" passed over your head. One playoff appearance since 2021 when they were ranked 30th thru 24th...Cards last playoff appearance was 2022

So tell me how he worked some impressive magic that translated to playoff appearances/success?

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:35 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:26 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Well the Sox are 15 over .500 with a strong chance to make the playoffs, and have the #3 rated farm system.
What more would you expect at this point?

make the playoffs? wake me when that happens. Basically show the same success as the Cards have...

Are they a contender? have they even won the AL East since 2018. Cards won NL Central in 2022.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:50 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:12 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:09 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Boston farm system rankings:
2019: 30th
2020: 25th
2021: 24th
2022: 14th
2023: 16th
2024: 3rd
2025: 3rd

What part of "are they really a contender?" passed over your head. One playoff appearance since 2021 when they were ranked 30th thru 24th...Cards last playoff appearance was 2022

So tell me how he worked some impressive magic that translated to playoff appearances/success?

You:
How did he remake the Sux?

Me:
2019: 30th
2020: 25th
2021: 24th
2022: 14th
2023: 16th
2024: 3rd
2025: 3rd

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:23 am Bloom, is he all that some believe him to be?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

I hope he's the antidote to help the Cards but color me suspicious.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:52 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:35 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:26 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Well the Sox are 15 over .500 with a strong chance to make the playoffs, and have the #3 rated farm system.
What more would you expect at this point?

make the playoffs? wake me when that happens. Basically show the same success as the Cards have...

Are they a contender? have they even won the AL East since 2018. Cards won NL Central in 2022.

Well maybe I’ll wake you after the games Sunday.

The fact is the Red Sox organization is in a hell of a lot better shape than the Cardinals organization.

Hopefully in 5 years the Cardinals will be in good shape as an organization.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:52 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:35 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:26 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Well the Sox are 15 over .500 with a strong chance to make the playoffs, and have the #3 rated farm system.
What more would you expect at this point?

make the playoffs? wake me when that happens. Basically show the same success as the Cards have...

Are they a contender? have they even won the AL East since 2018. Cards won NL Central in 2022.

Well maybe I’ll wake you after the games Sunday.

The fact is the Red Sox organization is in a hell of a lot better shape than the Cardinals organization.

Hopefully in 5 years the Cardinals will be in good shape as an organization.

Are they? Farm ranked higher didn't translate to winning their division more recently than the horrid Cards

orioles have/had a great farm system...how's that working out

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 11:22 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:52 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:35 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:26 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Well the Sox are 15 over .500 with a strong chance to make the playoffs, and have the #3 rated farm system.
What more would you expect at this point?

make the playoffs? wake me when that happens. Basically show the same success as the Cards have...

Are they a contender? have they even won the AL East since 2018. Cards won NL Central in 2022.

Well maybe I’ll wake you after the games Sunday.

The fact is the Red Sox organization is in a hell of a lot better shape than the Cardinals organization.

Hopefully in 5 years the Cardinals will be in good shape as an organization.

Are they? Farm ranked higher didn't translate to winning their division more recently than the horrid Cards

orioles have/had a great farm system...how's that working out

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:45 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Nice work Ecleme.

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:39 am What the he!! is Tampa doing with 4 Assistant GM's? Idiotic

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:39 am What the he!! is Tampa doing with 4 Assistant GM's? Idiotic

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!