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Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 12:35 pm
by rockondlouie
IF Burleson was a 2B or SS who played solid defense, then he'd be a guy you build around.
Burly
18 HR
69 RBI's
.294 .346 .464 .810
Look at his stats comped to:
T. Turner
15 HR
69 RBI
.305 .356 .458 .814
B. Turang
18 HR
77 RBI
.284 .355 .432 .787
But he's not
His bat profiles like a high end SS/2B and not as a 1B/DH/OF.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 12:39 pm
by riff raff
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:26 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:23 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
Get yourself a JJ Wetherholt doll and get ready
Realistically, you don't actually know how well Wetherholt will produce at the MLB level. Especially, in his first season. Have we ever been disappointed before by high end prospects? You know how Burleson will very likely continue to produce.
I don't think they're offering Burly up for trade myself, but you never know. They might flush a bunch of players out.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 14:00 pm
by Shady
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:35 pm
IF Burleson was a 2B or SS who played solid defense, then he'd be a guy you build around.
Burly
18 HR
69 RBI's
.294 .346 .464 .810
Look at his stats comped to:
T. Turner
15 HR
69 RBI
.305 .356 .458 .814
B. Turang
18 HR
77 RBI
.284 .355 .432 .787
But he's not
His bat profiles like a high end SS/2B and not as a 1B/DH/OF.
Now tell us what positions Nootbaar's, Arenado's, Gorman's and Walker's stats profile like. None are anywhere close to Burleson's production.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
by rockondlouie
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:00 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:35 pm
IF Burleson was a 2B or SS who played solid defense, then he'd be a guy you build around.
Burly
18 HR
69 RBI's
.294 .346 .464 .810
Look at his stats comped to:
T. Turner
15 HR
69 RBI
.305 .356 .458 .814
B. Turang
18 HR
77 RBI
.284 .355 .432 .787
But he's not
His bat profiles like a high end SS/2B and not as a 1B/DH/OF.
Now tell us what positions Nootbaar's, Arenado's, Gorman's and Walker's stats profile like. None are anywhere close to Burleson's production.
Who cares?
If some team needs a platoon 1B/DH and will offer a solid AA/AAA starting pitcher, then I'd make that deal.
That said, Bloom likes hitters w/Burly's profile so doubtful he'll go anywhere.
You can now exhale.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
by 2ninr
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
If they trade Gray they have only 2 decent pitchers. I like Burly, Shady. If the rest of the roster was balanced and we had good pitching I would enjoy watching him come along for the ride. But he is both flawed and has value. Time for us to cash in early for a change.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 14:20 pm
by greyhawk
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
This -- he's a #3 hitter on a 70-80 win team. If you are good with that keep plugging him in there, but as others have said he has more value now than he ever will. Cost controlled seasons for a mid tier team.... but maybe that is what the cards are now.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 14:24 pm
by Shady
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
If they trade Gray they have only 2 decent pitchers. I like Burly, Shady. If the rest of the roster was balanced and we had good pitching I would enjoy watching him come along for the ride. But he is both flawed and has value. Time for us to cash in early for a change.
Don't be surprised if Burleson makes the All Star team sometime within the next three seasons.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
by greyhawk
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:24 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
If they trade Gray they have only 2 decent pitchers. I like Burly, Shady. If the rest of the roster was balanced and we had good pitching I would enjoy watching him come along for the ride. But he is both flawed and has value. Time for us to cash in early for a change.
Don't be surprised if Burleson makes the All Star team sometime within the next three seasons.
perhaps -- but if so likely as the lone representative of the bad team he is on. He is a good player and will make money in MLB but if he is your #3 hitter your team is middling or worse.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 15:10 pm
by 2ninr
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:24 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
If they trade Gray they have only 2 decent pitchers. I like Burly, Shady. If the rest of the roster was balanced and we had good pitching I would enjoy watching him come along for the ride. But he is both flawed and has value. Time for us to cash in early for a change.
Don't be surprised if Burleson makes the All Star team sometime within the next three seasons.
If he can bring up his slug he may very well.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 15:46 pm
by Absolut
Let’s aim for better than “ok”.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 20:56 pm
by Cardinalss4Ever
greyhawk wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:24 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
If they trade Gray they have only 2 decent pitchers. I like Burly, Shady. If the rest of the roster was balanced and we had good pitching I would enjoy watching him come along for the ride. But he is both flawed and has value. Time for us to cash in early for a change.
Don't be surprised if Burleson makes the All Star team sometime within the next three seasons.
perhaps -- but if so likely as the lone representative of the bad team he is on. He is a good player and will make money in MLB but if he is your #3 hitter your team is middling or worse.
This^^^ Burly isn't a bad player. Could have been an all-star this year in place of Donnie, as the lone rep of a mediocre team. Making an all star team ain't the be all end all.
Burly is a good hitter, with no other tools. I would love to see him come back 15 pounds lighter. More muscle and much less fat. Unfortunately, if you believe in WAR at all, he is at best the 6th to 7th best position player on almost any good tea,
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 21:18 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
You’re right, we could never replace 18 HRs and 69 RBIs over 600 PA’s from 1B or DH. Surprised he doesn’t win MVP with those numbers. 2.2 WAR over 3 seasons…irreplaceable!
And why do you give a [shirt] if he’s economical? Is the goal to save BDW money or improve the team? You also keep saying he’s coming into his prime. Then why did he regress on his production numbers from last year?
This is the last chance to sell high on his 1-tool fat slow no-defense (donkey). Though I don’t think there’s a sucker GM that would even trade a good bullpen arm for him with team control, much less a “high-end” starter. He’s either a bench sub for us or a throw in on a trade.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 21:20 pm
by Braund241
Shady wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 18:43 pm
If he continues to improve his slug. It's such an vital spot in the batting order. By all accounts, Wetherholt will be as a fine table setter. Depending on what the Cardinals decide on Contreras, The Cardinals still need another "big bat" at 4 or 5 behind Burly at #3. Maybe even with Burleson, Herrera and Contreras. They were probably hoping that would be Gorman and/or Walker. The jury is still out on that.
Remember when Albert was the #3 batter.
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 22:54 pm
by Ozziesfan41
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:18 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
You’re right, we could never replace 18 HRs and 69 RBIs over 600 PA’s from 1B or DH. Surprised he doesn’t win MVP with those numbers. 2.2 WAR over 3 seasons…irreplaceable!
And why do you give a [shirt] if he’s economical? Is the goal to save BDW money or improve the team? You also keep saying he’s coming into his prime. Then why did he regress on his production numbers from last year?
This is the last chance to sell high on his 1-tool fat slow no-defense (donkey). Though I don’t think there’s a sucker GM that would even trade a good bullpen arm for him with team control, much less a “high-end” starter. He’s either a bench sub for us or a throw in on a trade.
lol
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 24 Sep 2025 23:09 pm
by JuanAgosto
I'd put Burleson at 5 or 6 in the order. With no roster changes, I'd go:
Wetherholt
Donovan
Herrera
Contreras
Burleson
Winn
Nootbaar
Pages/Crooks
Scott/Church
Re: Burleson might be OK as a #3 hitter for the next few seasons
Posted: 25 Sep 2025 09:00 am
by rockondlouie
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:24 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:10 pm
Shady wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 12:12 pm
riff raff wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 11:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:00 am
2ninr wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:10 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 08:54 am
I. Hererra is obviously the correct #3 hitter given he's the only player in the organization w/30-35 HR power and should be in the prime RBI spot w/WillyC behind him if he's still here.
Burleson could hit 2nd or 5th vs RHP but has to sit vs LHP.
A platoon player without a position, no power, who somehow has built some value with his hit tool. Bloom is smart. BuhByeBurly!
Agreed
I said in post the other day his trade value may never be higher!
So you two want to trade away a 294 hitter with an 810 OPS? Not to mention Burly is cheap and is showing year to year improvement.
ok
He's a good player on a bad team. If I could get a young pitcher with control, he's gone. That's how we get better.
You are neglecting one very substantial consideration. How would the Cardinals replace Burleson's offensive production? ex, Gorman, Walker, etc. Another thing, Burleson is coming into his prime and is very economical. Especially, considering how he continues to produce.
If they trade Gray they have only 2 decent pitchers. I like Burly, Shady. If the rest of the roster was balanced and we had good pitching I would enjoy watching him come along for the ride. But he is both flawed and has value. Time for us to cash in early for a change.
Don't be surprised if Burleson makes the All Star team sometime within the next three seasons.
Okay calm down shady
Now you're way, way out on a limb.
At what position is Burly going to make an all star team?
Only way he goes is the "P. Dejong" route where the Cardinals have to have a rep.