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Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 17:51 pm
by dccardinal
I hate to bring this up, and had assumed someone else would before now (if it HAS been discussed I just missed the thread). As it stands now, Oli next year would be a lame duck manager, susceptible (ostensibly) to being undermined by (especially) the older players who don’t like him, who can sit back and wait for his departure. Don’t you think Oli is going to be on Bloom’s doorstep this offseason with that very argument, asking AT LEAST for an additional year (and maybe even two, like he got the last time for Mo)? I’m truly fearful that if he’s back next year it’s going to turn into 2…at least.
MAKE ME FEEL BETTER, THAT IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY!
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 18:32 pm
by Dicktar2023
Molina is "guest coaching" again this weekend. It's a little hard to believe there is nothing to see here.
EDIT: That said, Bloom's audition lasted two years. Who knows how many days Marmol has left in BDW time.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 18:33 pm
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
riff raff wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
I doubt if Oliver sniffs another managing job in this lifetime.
He might have one next year
Sad but true. He is awful.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 19:25 pm
by JuanAgosto
If Marmol was dismissed after the season, he would find a job as an assistant or minor league instructor. No chance an MLB team hires him to manage. Maybe a few years down the road.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 20:32 pm
by rage-STL
Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:09 pm
If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?
Someone that has played baseball at the highest level with a winning pedigree and/or has MLB managerial experience with proven success in the playoffs.
Skip Schumaker
Yadier Molina
Albert Pujols
Jason Varitek
Carlos Beltran
Kevin Cash
Joe Maddon
Whoever Bloom wants in this role honestly.
Analytically driven front office with a manager and coaching staff hired to call the shots and lead the team. Baseball men making baseball decisions with all the support and information they need from upstairs. Be fundamentally sound and play hard, clean baseball. Please and thank you.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 22:28 pm
by imetsatchelpaige
Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 18:32 pm
Molina is "guest coaching" again this weekend. It's a little hard to believe there is nothing to see here.
EDIT: That said, Bloom's audition lasted two years. Who knows how many days Marmol has left in BDW time.
There is nothing to see here. Move along…
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 22:49 pm
by JuanAgosto
I have a feeling that if BDW makes the managerial decision, oli is back.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 07:32 am
by ScotchMIrish
Bomber1 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:37 pm
ForumPolice wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:17 pm
I personally don't care. I want Bloom to install who he likes best. There just needs to be a flushing of this system and you can't do it keeping Oli at the helm.
Canning him is the easiest way to signal to fans that you know that there's a major issue, you hear them and are trying a different path. Just the idea of bringing him back optically looks like, as a team, you like where we're going. If you want any fans in the stadium next year that cannot be the message
The only thing that would be worse than keeping him would be a repeat of Mozeliak’s moronic statement after extending Marmol in early ‘24 - “we don’t want pressure on him to win”.
Same owner and front office who fired Matheny who never had a losing season.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 07:48 am
by Cranny
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Sep 2025 07:32 am
Bomber1 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:37 pm
ForumPolice wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:17 pm
I personally don't care. I want Bloom to install who he likes best. There just needs to be a flushing of this system and you can't do it keeping Oli at the helm.
Canning him is the easiest way to signal to fans that you know that there's a major issue, you hear them and are trying a different path. Just the idea of bringing him back optically looks like, as a team, you like where we're going. If you want any fans in the stadium next year that cannot be the message
The only thing that would be worse than keeping him would be a repeat of Mozeliak’s moronic statement after extending Marmol in early ‘24 - “we don’t want pressure on him to win”.
Same owner and front office who fired Matheny who never had a losing season.
Matheny was under appreciated.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:27 am
by Bomber1
rage-STL wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 20:32 pm
Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:09 pm
If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?
Someone that has played baseball at the highest level with a winning pedigree and/or has MLB managerial experience with proven success in the playoffs.
Skip Schumaker
Yadier Molina
Albert Pujols
Jason Varitek
Carlos Beltran
Kevin Cash
Joe Maddon
Whoever Bloom wants in this role honestly.
Analytically driven front office with a manager and coaching staff hired to call the shots and lead the team. Baseball men making baseball decisions with all the support and information they need from upstairs. Be fundamentally sound and play hard, clean baseball. Please and thank you.
Just my opinion - but a hard NO to Beltran.
He was instrumental in the Astro’s cheating scandal.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:36 am
by rockondlouie
hmoss859 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 15:03 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:49 pm
BDWJR will have the final say on whether Oli stays on for 2026 or is fired after seasons end.
Dewitt is involved (and as the owner has the FINAL SAY) on almost EVERY SINGLE major decision, he's a lifetime baseball man and he makes the final call!
If he decides 2026 is yet another "runway/re-build" season (and by all accounts it's going to be), then he may just stick w/Oli (who's under contract for 2026) and let him assist w/developing these young players.
After 2026 when Oli's contract expires, then and likely only then will C. Bloom choose his new Manager.
JMO but I strongly think this is how it's going to play out.
That said I'd love for Bloom to somehow get Kevin Cash out of Tampa!
100% correct, not a fan of the decision, but that's the way it's strongly trending.
Thx hmoss
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:38 am
by rockondlouie
TheJackBurton wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 16:29 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:49 pm
BDWJR will have the final say on whether Oli stays on for 2026 or is fired after seasons end.
Dewitt is involved (and as the owner has the FINAL SAY) on almost EVERY SINGLE major decision, he's a lifetime baseball man and he makes the final call!
If he decides 2026 is yet another "runway/re-build" season (and by all accounts it's going to be), then he may just stick w/Oli (who's under contract for 2026) and let him assist w/developing these young players.
After 2026 when Oli's contract expires, then and likely only then will C. Bloom choose his new Manager.
JMO but I strongly think this is how it's going to play out.
That said I'd love for Bloom to somehow get Kevin Cash out of Tampa!
Then I hope Jr loves looking at 20k empty seats.
I think it could be even worse JB.
IF Oli is back and IF BDWJr doesn't give C. Bloom any significant payroll to add quality (young) players, then he could be looking at more 17,000 games.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:38 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:09 pm
If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?
It’s a .500 team in MLB. A mediocre talented team. No leader. A flightless bird. Someone or something held it together. that deserved mucho credit.
As far as instilling a winning rather than ice cold environment, I say we need change. You need that feeling. That sizzle that goes thru you. Nightly.
I would get a seasoned guy with lots left in there tank.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:39 am
by rockondlouie
Chitownredbird wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 17:19 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:49 pm
BDWJR will have the final say on whether Oli stays on for 2026 or is fired after seasons end.
Dewitt is involved (and as the owner has the FINAL SAY) on almost EVERY SINGLE major decision, he's a lifetime baseball man and he makes the final call!
If he decides 2026 is yet another "runway/re-build" season (and by all accounts it's going to be), then he may just stick w/Oli (who's under contract for 2026) and let him assist w/developing these young players.
After 2026 when Oli's contract expires, then and likely only then will C. Bloom choose his new Manager.
JMO but I strongly think this is how it's going to play out.
That said I'd love for Bloom to somehow get Kevin Cash out of Tampa!
Couldn’t agree more on everything you said. I doubt they will pay Oli to not manage and I would LOVE Cash as Mgr.
Thx Chitownbird
We'd have to trade for Cash, could we con them into taking J. Walker?
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:45 am
by Dicktar2023
blackinkbiz wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 17:39 pm
My biggest concern is Dewitt keeping Oli for the final year of his contract as a big FU to the fans for not showing up in droves and wasting their hard-earned money on an inferior product. And because there's likely an upcoming stoppage due to the expiring CBA, I find it highly unlikely the Cards want to spend this offseason and if they're not spending, why not go all-in cheap and keep the guy you're already paying.
After all, they still turned a profit this year. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they try to milk one final year out of the system in place and THEN say, "Okay, we heard you loud and clear, it's time for a change ... blah blah blah."
Yeah, who can say what comes next? Obviously, the smartest business decision right now is to clean house--fire anyone associated with Mo and sell it to the fans as a completely new era.
But it was just as obvious that was the smart move a year ago. BDW is just not making sense these days. On one hand, he seems like he's pinching every penny, on the other hand, he seems like he's allergic to money.
Re: For all the people wanting Marmol gone
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 08:48 am
by 11WSChamps
The perception of apathy can cripple your fan base for years.
If the Cardinals have an ounce of integrity left they will let go of Marmol and give fans a buzz to at least gain back some interest for 2026.
With a work stoppage looming for 2027 if you stay the course for next year as you have for this year you run the real risk of having at least three years of not being relevant and eroding the fan base even more.
The team needs to be interesting in 2026.