Helsley has given up 11 ER in 10.1 IP for NYM

[hugeCardfan]

Helsley's struggles in NY are problematic for him, but could be fortunate for us. Say we sign him on a prove it contract for 2M and send him to a pitching camp and they iron out his mechanics...Say, we get 2024 Helsley. Then 2027 we get a good look at where we are and whether we want to keep him around.

Ryan will get a lot more than 2 million!

Perhaps. Should he?

I don’t think getting Helsey back should be a priority.

Probably not, but if available for a real bargain, why not? We'll still need a bullpen next year.

[ecleme22]

Helsley's struggles in NY are problematic for him, but could be fortunate for us. Say we sign him on a prove it contract for 2M and send him to a pitching camp and they iron out his mechanics...Say, we get 2024 Helsley. Then 2027 we get a good look at where we are and whether we want to keep him around.

Ryan will get a lot more than 2 million!

Perhaps. Should he?

I don’t think getting Helsey back should be a priority.

Probably not, but if available for a real bargain, why not? We'll still need a bullpen next year.

Yeah maybe if he’s still teamless on March 1st. Before that? No thanks.

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Helsley's struggles in NY are problematic for him, but could be fortunate for us. Say we sign him on a prove it contract for 2M and send him to a pitching camp and they iron out his mechanics...Say, we get 2024 Helsley. Then 2027 we get a good look at where we are and whether we want to keep him around.

Ryan will get a lot more than 2 million!

Perhaps. Should he?

I don’t think getting Helsey back should be a priority.

Probably not, but if available for a real bargain, why not? We'll still need a bullpen next year.

Yeah maybe if he’s still teamless on March 1st. Before that? No thanks.

I would hope that Bloom does not want to start his job bidding against himself like Mozeliak.

[Ozziesfan41]

Helsley's struggles in NY are problematic for him, but could be fortunate for us. Say we sign him on a prove it contract for 2M and send him to a pitching camp and they iron out his mechanics...Say, we get 2024 Helsley. Then 2027 we get a good look at where we are and whether we want to keep him around.

Ryan will get a lot more than 2 million!

Perhaps. Should he?

I don’t think getting Helsey back should be a priority.

Probably not, but if available for a real bargain, why not? We'll still need a bullpen next year.

Yeah maybe if he’s still teamless on March 1st. Before that? No thanks.

I would hope that Bloom does not want to start his job bidding against himself like Mozeliak.

I don’t see bloom as the type of guy who is going to spend a lot of money on the bullpen he knows the obvious closers are replaceable. People were saying you can’t trade helsley have to keep him and extend him or the team is doomed without a closer but they’ve done just fine closing out games without him

[Voldemort]

Inquiring minds want to know. Are they still playing Hell's Bells when he enters the game?

[Ozziesfan41]

Inquiring minds want to know. Are they still playing Hell's Bells when he enters the game?

Probably but now when it plays it means the score is going to hell

[Bomber1]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Hard to know if Helsley could’ve gotten you more in the offseason.

How could he not? He was the best closer in the game last year. He was meh at this year’s trade deadline.

Yea it’s not hard to figure out he would have brought more when he was coming off of an All-Star dominating season had a full season of control and could be offered a QO as opposed to two months of control had already blown more saves than he had the entire previous season couldn’t be offered a QO and hitters were hitting well over .300 against his fastball. Mo was dumb and wasn’t interested in trading him or fedde because he thought this team was a post season contender

Let's remember, while RH was a lot more hittable with STL in 2025, he was still decent, with a 3.00 ERA / 21 SV / 1.1 WAR.

Unless MO/Bloom formally rejected a deal during the offseason, we don't really know.

The reason I raise this argument is based on the demand during the trade deadline potentially increasing.

So while RH's stats weren't as sexy as March, his market potentially increased based on a team's desperation.

lol no it doesn’t. So you think players increase in value the less control they have? That’s insane. But I get you were one of the ones who were saying have to keep him in the offseason and I know you never admit being wrong so i get the flawed players increase in value with less control and when they are having a down year argument you’re trying to make so I’ll just disagree

Sure. Many buyers at the deadline don’t care about control, but rather the current playoff push.

Circumstances matter.

Higher priced RPs, or other more veteran players a rental is what is wanted
versus some commitment.

Other situations with young cost-controlled productive players, the get is indeed better
but the cost to get that player obviously goes up. TD teams preferences are individual.

RH on a 3 year contract of $10/yr might have been harder to deal.

I’m not sure what your point is.

Theoretically, if Helsley was in year 1 of a 3-year contract at $ 10 million/year, he might have been harder to trade?

Ok

There was a prior POV suggesting that it's insane that players with less control have more
value. Just agreeing with ecleme that in RH's case that having him on more term may have made him harder to move.

Thanks for clarifying.