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ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 08:05 am I would like Bloom to grab his guy, whoever that is.

+1 Clean house!

The fact of the matter is that if you keep Oli you keep the stench of the past 2 seasons that has seen massive drops in attendance.

You keep the stench of Mo and his philosophy and it also immediately gives us the impression that Bloom has no power that he will be nothing but a lackey for DeWitt.

Quite frankly if you are DeWitt, looking at out the stadium over this past month, wouldn't you want to wipe away as much of that stench as you possibly can?

Don't care how much the players like the manager, the fact of the matter is it's a results based business and over the last 3 seasons he is 222-240 for a .480 winning percentage.

You can tell me he hasn't been given much to work with, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but what has he done to improve what he does have? Essentially nothing.

The next manager for this team is going to be a huge hire and they can't go cheap again. It has to be a hire that can lead this team back to winning, it's as simple as that.

Plain and simple if Oli is back, expect announcements of attendance of 17,000 regularly.

If Bloom is forced to be married to Marmol by ownership - there will be no substantive change in anything and the fans will stay away.

You can’t bring Marmol back unless you are insane.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 14:13 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 13:39 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 09:45 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

Manager: Albert Pujols
Pitching Coach: Yadier Molina
Bench Coach: Daniel Descalso
OF Coach: Jon Jay
1st Base Coach: Stubby Clapp
IF Coach/3rd Base Coach: Jose Oquendo
Bullpen Coach: Chris Carpenter
Hitting Coach: Matt Holliday

To answer your question about Yadi....yes, I think he'd be done with Cards if we hired another former C over him.

I sincerely hope they do not follow your suggestion.

Why not?

All JMO -

I’m sick and tired of all the pining for the past.

3 hires from within this organization have resulted in the current quagmire of listlessness.

This organization needs new blood and an experienced, respected manager.

I have said this for years and nothing yet has convinced me otherwise.

Bad14 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 10:09 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

I don't want him back either but what proof do you have he's toxic?

He lied about Cardinal fans calling him derogatory names.

That's toxic.

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 08:08 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 08:05 am I would like Bloom to grab his guy, whoever that is.

Varitek is his guy.

Some former catchers make good managers.

Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 20:16 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 10:09 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

I don't want him back either but what proof do you have he's toxic?

He lied about Cardinal fans calling him derogatory names.

That's toxic.

That story lost traction very quickly.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 18:43 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 14:13 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 13:39 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 09:45 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

Manager: Albert Pujols
Pitching Coach: Yadier Molina
Bench Coach: Daniel Descalso
OF Coach: Jon Jay
1st Base Coach: Stubby Clapp
IF Coach/3rd Base Coach: Jose Oquendo
Bullpen Coach: Chris Carpenter
Hitting Coach: Matt Holliday

To answer your question about Yadi....yes, I think he'd be done with Cards if we hired another former C over him.

I sincerely hope they do not follow your suggestion.

Why not?

All JMO -

I’m sick and tired of all the pining for the past.

3 hires from within this organization have resulted in the current quagmire of listlessness.

This organization needs new blood and an experienced, respected manager.

I have said this for years and nothing yet has convinced me otherwise.

I don't disagree, but it isn't necessarily hiring within the organization/past that is bad, it is the specific people they have chosen that have been bad.

So just saying nobody from the past, isn't really fair. It is WHO you bring in.

Comparing a Mike Shildt and Oli Marmol to a Pujols/Yadi is laughable.

I'm all for an experienced manager, but I do think the guys I listed would be respected and as knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the game as any experienced manager.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 21:46 pm

Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 20:16 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 10:09 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

I don't want him back either but what proof do you have he's toxic?

He lied about Cardinal fans calling him derogatory names.

That's toxic.

That story lost traction very quickly.

Because it was just that, "a story".

Katie Woo and Derrick Goold feel very strong Marmol is coming back to manage in 2026.

That’s not a good start to offseason, ticket sales will plummet even more

hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:45 pm Katie Woo and Derrick Goold feel very strong Marmol is coming back to manage in 2026.

That’s not a good start to offseason, ticket sales will plummet even more

I've got to believe none of that is coming from Bloom and it's just the dying gasp of the Mozeliak regime.

Seriously, can anyone think of a single reason that a person in Bloom's position would keep Marmol?

If the answer is "Because DeWitt says so" I ask: Can anyone think of a single reason DeWitt would keep Marmol?

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:57 pm

hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:45 pm Katie Woo and Derrick Goold feel very strong Marmol is coming back to manage in 2026.

That’s not a good start to offseason, ticket sales will plummet even more

I've got to believe none of that is coming from Bloom and it's just the dying gasp of the Mozeliak regime.

Seriously, can anyone think of a single reason that a person in Bloom's position would keep Marmol?

If the answer is "Because DeWitt says so" I ask: Can anyone think of a single reason DeWitt would keep Marmol?

Bloom will begin his tenure with the same amount of venom and hatred the large majority of the fanbase has for Mo if he does that and Dewitt will only see further declining ticket sales.

Unless their intention is to just alienate the fanbase I don’t think either of them want that. I have been saying for a while that simply hiring a new manager will bring back a substantial portion of the fanbase. Not just some non qualified yes man of course. It will need to be a stud hire. But it will not take a big spending offseason to bring the fans back.

Banner29 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:12 pm

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:57 pm

hmoss859 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 16:45 pm Katie Woo and Derrick Goold feel very strong Marmol is coming back to manage in 2026.

That’s not a good start to offseason, ticket sales will plummet even more

I've got to believe none of that is coming from Bloom and it's just the dying gasp of the Mozeliak regime.

Seriously, can anyone think of a single reason that a person in Bloom's position would keep Marmol?

If the answer is "Because DeWitt says so" I ask: Can anyone think of a single reason DeWitt would keep Marmol?

Bloom will begin his tenure with the same amount of venom and hatred the large majority of the fanbase has for Mo if he does that and Dewitt will only see further declining ticket sales.

Unless their intention is to just alienate the fanbase I don’t think either of them want that. I have been saying for a while that simply hiring a new manager will bring back a substantial portion of the fanbase. Not just some non qualified yes man of course. It will need to be a stud hire. But it will not take a big spending offseason to bring the fans back.

Exactly. I understand the argument that Marmol should not be blamed for a flawed roster, but he's an average manager at best. Not difficult or expensive to replace. When you weigh that against the need for a major PR break from the Mo era, there is literally not a single reason to keep him.

If he's the manager in 2026, that would be tangible evidence that DeWitt isn't just checked out, but that he's self-sabotaging and preparing to sell the team.

DeWitt ultimately makes the call on who manages his team, not Bloom.

It's just the way it is...an 83-year-old man is calling all the shots.

High Em will say yes sir just like Moe

Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:57 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 21:46 pm

Mr.Snuggleupagus wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 20:16 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 10:09 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

I don't want him back either but what proof do you have he's toxic?

He lied about Cardinal fans calling him derogatory names.

That's toxic.

That story lost traction very quickly.

Because it was just that, "a story".

Pretty much my impression when I saw it.