Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
actually backwards. STL doesn't have a ton of PF's, but they DO have more than a few skilled wingers
Who you got.
Kyrou, Tex, and some times Thomas............ Blues on the roster, I wouldn't consider, 'power forward. The rest will have PF on their draft cards
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
actually backwards. STL doesn't have a ton of PF's, but they DO have more than a few skilled wingers
Who you got.
Kyrou, Tex, and some times Thomas............ Blues on the roster, I wouldn't consider, 'power forward. The rest will have PF on their draft cards
skill guys:
thomas
kyrou
snuggerud
tex
tweeners (more skill than pf attributes):
holloway
buch*
schenn*
suter
(* argument could be made they play enough of a PF style, but to me more 200' guys)
Cahokanut wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 08:31 amNo. It wasn't. One guy had stats much alike most first year, NHL hall of Famers, The added value of the premium position means little when talking future 1st line winger and the hope of a overpaid 3rd pair, defensive liability.
Come on now. You’re now saying Bolduc projects as a future HOFer or at least 1st liner?? In no way shape or form is a 40 pt pace what future HOFers do at age 21. Bolduc is a good young player and I’m sad to lose him but once again, you’re way overrating him.
And also once again, almost certainly way underrating Mailloux as well. He very well may be a 3rd pairing defensive liability guy this season. But he’s projected to improve, like pretty much all 22 year olds are projected to do. His career is just getting started. Far far from a finished product.
No I'm not. I'm talking historical fact plus pointing out that it wasn't a square deal, like you were/are portraying it to be.
Also. Mailloux isn't a 3rd pairing nhler. He hasn't made the nhl. I'm 100% sure he will though. Like everyone army brings in personally. They get a great opportunity.
I like most everyone outside the Lou. Think you are undervaluing Bolduc. Anyone who paid attention to last year knows his stats were more management holding him back rather his play.
Time will be the teller
Please source this historical data where 21 yr olds putting up 0.5 pts/game at age 21 then go on to become HoFers.
But yes, time will tell. We’ll know more in a few years and I have little desire to argue about future player projections more. You have your opinion, I have mine. Clearly neither of us will be budging from our stances anytime soon.
I didn't say 21. I said first year.
Also. Disagreeing then explaining why isn't a argument for me but a discussion.
Good to know and not really surprised you'd call a discussion where one disagreed with you, and then explained why. A argument.
Ive been clueless on the three arguments you have tried to start with me, by disagreeing and explaining why... So why so much hate.
I'm pretty sure that the Blues are betting that he will be as good as Broberg was 2 years ago. There are 2 years separating them in age and I suspect that the Blues will be happy to have him on the same trajectory as Broberg. Only maybe the Blues find use for him sooner. Broberg might have taught the Blues a lesson.
Cahokanut wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 08:31 amNo. It wasn't. One guy had stats much alike most first year, NHL hall of Famers, The added value of the premium position means little when talking future 1st line winger and the hope of a overpaid 3rd pair, defensive liability.
Come on now. You’re now saying Bolduc projects as a future HOFer or at least 1st liner?? In no way shape or form is a 40 pt pace what future HOFers do at age 21. Bolduc is a good young player and I’m sad to lose him but once again, you’re way overrating him.
And also once again, almost certainly way underrating Mailloux as well. He very well may be a 3rd pairing defensive liability guy this season. But he’s projected to improve, like pretty much all 22 year olds are projected to do. His career is just getting started. Far far from a finished product.
No I'm not. I'm talking historical fact plus pointing out that it wasn't a square deal, like you were/are portraying it to be.
Also. Mailloux isn't a 3rd pairing nhler. He hasn't made the nhl. I'm 100% sure he will though. Like everyone army brings in personally. They get a great opportunity.
I like most everyone outside the Lou. Think you are undervaluing Bolduc. Anyone who paid attention to last year knows his stats were more management holding him back rather his play.
Time will be the teller
Please source this historical data where 21 yr olds putting up 0.5 pts/game at age 21 then go on to become HoFers.
But yes, time will tell. We’ll know more in a few years and I have little desire to argue about future player projections more. You have your opinion, I have mine. Clearly neither of us will be budging from our stances anytime soon.
I didn't say 21. I said first year.
Also. Disagreeing then explaining why isn't a argument for me but a discussion.
Good to know and not really surprised you'd call a discussion where one disagreed with you, and then explained why. A argument.
Ive been clueless on the three arguments you have tried to start with me, by disagreeing and explaining why... So why so much hate.
Hate? I’m simply acknowledging I completely disagree with your take and it appears you completely disagree with mine. And agreeing that time will tell which one of us is more accurate in the end.
Sorry I used the word “argument”. Discussion, disagreement, whatever. Idk
And yes, you said first year. But when that first year occurs matters a ton. A rookie 18 yr old scoring 0.5 pts/game in the NHL is a ton more impressive than a rookie 21 yr old doing it. There’s really no history at all of a 21 yr old rookie scoring 0.5 pts/game and then going on to become a HoFer.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
actually backwards. STL doesn't have a ton of PF's, but they DO have more than a few skilled wingers
Who you got.
Kyrou, Tex, and some times Thomas............ Blues on the roster, I wouldn't consider, 'power forward. The rest will have PF on their draft cards
skill guys:
thomas
kyrou
snuggerud
tex
tweeners (more skill than pf attributes):
holloway
buch*
schenn*
suter
(* argument could be made they play enough of a PF style, but to me more 200' guys)
PF:
neighbors
the rest are what they are
Other than tip/deflection ability; nothing about Suter is remotely PF-ish.
He's undersized and more than a little on the "soft" side. He's basically Bozak(much worse on the FO dot, but better hand/eye coordination and IQ).
Snuggy is more of a PF than Suter is.
Some of you guys really don't seem to understand what we're getting in Pius Suter. There's practically zero physicality in his game. It's all about positioning and reading the play with him.
Cahokanut wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 08:31 amNo. It wasn't. One guy had stats much alike most first year, NHL hall of Famers, The added value of the premium position means little when talking future 1st line winger and the hope of a overpaid 3rd pair, defensive liability.
Come on now. You’re now saying Bolduc projects as a future HOFer or at least 1st liner?? In no way shape or form is a 40 pt pace what future HOFers do at age 21. Bolduc is a good young player and I’m sad to lose him but once again, you’re way overrating him.
And also once again, almost certainly way underrating Mailloux as well. He very well may be a 3rd pairing defensive liability guy this season. But he’s projected to improve, like pretty much all 22 year olds are projected to do. His career is just getting started. Far far from a finished product.
I question why we needed to do this sort of gamble based on where the team is.
Is Mailoux the one missing piece that we need? No.
Are we close to a Stanley Cup? No.
Why are we making trades as though we are 1 RHD away from a Cup?
Didn't we draft a RHD in 2024 (Jiricek) that has much of the same up-side as Mailloux?
No matter how you look at this trade? It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have been needed. We are giving up what we say we need more of (200ft players), to get just what we don't need, another "prospect project".
Anyone that looks at the big picture on this trade realizes that something is badly wrong with the Blues and their talent acquisition. The same can be said with the offer sheets. Getting Holloway and Broberg was great -- BUT THEY SHOULD NOT BE THE BEST PROSPECTS ON THE TEAM. That reflects very poor talent acquisition has been going on outside of the offer sheets.
We can only make trades if the acquired player is the one missing piece now? Why? That makes no sense. We were flush with wingers and shallow on younger d-man. We evened that out.
Jiricek is 19. He’s a potential future RD. Mailloux is 3 years older and thus 3 years farther along on his development curve. We needed one now.
The trade makes plenty of sense to me and many others here clearly. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean the logic isn’t there.
Correct, Jiricek is a few years away. We needed one now, and also not another old guy.
And as far as Mailloux's weaknesses...both Al McGinnis and Chris Pronger live in St. Louis. McGinnis already with a formal position in the organization. I'm quite certain that both of those experienced Defensemen would respond to the call to occasionally give some additional pointers to the young man.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
actually backwards. STL doesn't have a ton of PF's, but they DO have more than a few skilled wingers
Who you got.
Kyrou, Tex, and some times Thomas............ Blues on the roster, I wouldn't consider, 'power forward. The rest will have PF on their draft cards
skill guys:
thomas
kyrou
snuggerud
tex
tweeners (more skill than pf attributes):
holloway
buch*
schenn*
suter
(* argument could be made they play enough of a PF style, but to me more 200' guys)
PF:
neighbors
the rest are what they are
Other than tip/deflection ability; nothing about Suter is remotely PF-ish.
He's undersized and more than a little on the "soft" side. He's basically Bozak(much worse on the FO dot, but better hand/eye coordination and IQ).
Snuggy is more of a PF than Suter is.
Some of you guys really don't seem to understand what we're getting in Pius Suter. There's practically zero physicality in his game. It's all about positioning and reading the play with him.
This list is why Carbonneau is such a welcome addition to the prospect pool.
Cahokanut wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 08:31 amNo. It wasn't. One guy had stats much alike most first year, NHL hall of Famers, The added value of the premium position means little when talking future 1st line winger and the hope of a overpaid 3rd pair, defensive liability.
Come on now. You’re now saying Bolduc projects as a future HOFer or at least 1st liner?? In no way shape or form is a 40 pt pace what future HOFers do at age 21. Bolduc is a good young player and I’m sad to lose him but once again, you’re way overrating him.
And also once again, almost certainly way underrating Mailloux as well. He very well may be a 3rd pairing defensive liability guy this season. But he’s projected to improve, like pretty much all 22 year olds are projected to do. His career is just getting started. Far far from a finished product.
I question why we needed to do this sort of gamble based on where the team is.
Is Mailoux the one missing piece that we need? No.
Are we close to a Stanley Cup? No.
Why are we making trades as though we are 1 RHD away from a Cup?
Didn't we draft a RHD in 2024 (Jiricek) that has much of the same up-side as Mailloux?
No matter how you look at this trade? It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have been needed. We are giving up what we say we need more of (200ft players), to get just what we don't need, another "prospect project".
Anyone that looks at the big picture on this trade realizes that something is badly wrong with the Blues and their talent acquisition. The same can be said with the offer sheets. Getting Holloway and Broberg was great -- BUT THEY SHOULD NOT BE THE BEST PROSPECTS ON THE TEAM. That reflects very poor talent acquisition has been going on outside of the offer sheets.
We can only make trades if the acquired player is the one missing piece now? Why? That makes no sense. We were flush with wingers and shallow on younger d-man. We evened that out.
Jiricek is 19. He’s a potential future RD. Mailloux is 3 years older and thus 3 years farther along on his development curve. We needed one now.
The trade makes plenty of sense to me and many others here clearly. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean the logic isn’t there.
Correct, Jiricek is a few years away. We needed one now, and also not another old guy.
And as far as Mailloux's weaknesses...both Al McGinnis and Chris Pronger live in St. Louis. McGinnis already with a formal position in the organization. I'm quite certain that both of those experienced Defensemen would respond to the call to occasionally give some additional pointers to the young man.
MacInnis has been with the organization(in a managerial role) for 20+ years.
The only defensemen we've developed in that time period to show any real offensive ability were Vince Dunn and Dennis Wideman.
It doesn't seem like Chopper's been much of a factor on that front.
Maybe Pronger has some impact with the kids; but I don't see how that's going to happen from a broadcasting position(Pronger is part of the fanduel broadcast team now).
Being a great player does not mean you're any good at coaching or developing. There are plenty of HOF'ers in every league that prove that point(Tony Gwynn and Wayne Gretzky are just the tip of the iceberg).
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
Im keeping Neighbours over Bolduc. Hes more proven and has an all around better game. Theres nobody in our system like Neighbours thats close to making the team. We have a couple of Bolducs coming.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
Im keeping Neighbours over Bolduc. Hes more proven and has an all around better game. Theres nobody in our system like Neighbours thats close to making the team. We have a couple of Bolducs coming.
Pretty sure Habs would have jumped at Jake in that trade if they had a choice.
Folks this was a hockey trade both teams using their plenty to get what they needed most.
I'm actually pretty confident St Louis knows what they are getting in Mailloux will work out for them.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
Im keeping Neighbours over Bolduc. Hes more proven and has an all around better game. Theres nobody in our system like Neighbours thats close to making the team. We have a couple of Bolducs coming.
Pretty sure Habs would have jumped at Jake in that trade if they had a choice.
Folks this was a hockey trade both teams using their plenty to get what they needed most.
I'm actually pretty confident St Louis knows what they are getting in Mailloux will work out for them.
I agree. I also think if Mailloux reaches his expected potential he will end up a solid 2nd pairing guy and that is more valuable overall than a 20ish goal scoring winger. Army didnt make that trade for a 3rd pairing jag.
With Snugs, Dvorsky and Carbonneau knocking on the door this teams future looks pretty bright. And there should be another wave of guys coming right after them too. Dean, Lindstein, Jiricek etc....
Its been a long time since the Blues had this many kids in the system that were expected to make it.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 11:04 am
Army is going to have to pay Snuggerud, Holloway and Broberg in the near term after already committing to Buch, Thomas and Kyrou. There simply isnt a space here for Bolduc.
Just another instance of keeping the wrong guys, and shipping out the good ones.
Who were they supposed to get rid of instead of Bolduc?
Thomas? Kyrou? Buch?
Theyve all outperformed Bolduc on a daily basis.
They didn't have to trade anyone., yet. The right move was to hold.
However.
Neighbour is/was the right answer. If someone was to move. He is a poor man's Backes. Who had the value of a up and coming 2nd line power forward and the type of guy we have plenty of.
Im keeping Neighbours over Bolduc. Hes more proven and has an all around better game. Theres nobody in our system like Neighbours thats close to making the team. We have a couple of Bolducs coming.
Pretty sure Habs would have jumped at Jake in that trade if they had a choice.
Folks this was a hockey trade both teams using their plenty to get what they needed most.
I'm actually pretty confident St Louis knows what they are getting in Mailloux will work out for them.
I agree. I also think if Mailloux reaches his expected potential he will end up a solid 2nd pairing guy and that is more valuable overall than a 20ish goal scoring winger. Army didnt make that trade for a 3rd pairing jag.
With Snugs, Dvorsky and Carbonneau knocking on the door this teams future looks pretty bright. And there should be another wave of guys coming right after them too. Dean, Lindstein, Jiricek etc....
Its been a long time since the Blues had this many kids in the system that were expected to make it.
And as others have said before, there will likely be more trades coming to shape this team into a serious contender. Trades that may move good players/prospects we like to build a winning franchise. Trades we all hope will pan out in the Blues favor.
In no way shape or form is a 40 pt pace what future HOFers do at age 21. Bolduc is a good young player and I’m sad to lose him but once again, you’re way overrating him.