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Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:12 pm**

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:53 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
For the years 2016-2025:

Player/wRC+
Tommy Pham: 123
Jose Martinez: 122
Brendan Donovan: 118
Matt Carpenter: 117
Lars Nootbaar: 113
Tyler O’Neill: 111
Stephen Piscotty: 107
Nolan Gorman: 104
Alec Burleson: 104
Kolten Wong: 100
Tommy Edman: 99
Harrison Bader: 98

Also worth noting that many of those other players contributed meaningful value (as opposed to destroying it) in the field and/or on the bases as well—they weren’t extremely one-dimensional, bat-only players.

Thanks for the list. However, none of the players you listed are clearly better pure hitters than Burleson. Carpenter, in his best years, maybe. And, I predict, Burleson, at only 26, will still improve. JMHO

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:17 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
Why is he like Kruk?
A very good poster (not me) made the comparison here a week or so ago.

We knew it wasn’t you when you said “a very good poster”

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:18 pm**

hullie wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 12:17 pm
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
Why is he like Kruk?
A very good poster (not me) made the comparison here a week or so ago.
We knew it wasn’t you when you said “a very good poster”

A nothing contribution from you, as usual.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:21 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
Why is he like Kruk?
A very good poster (not me) made the comparison here a week or so ago.

So you actually have no idea? Just sharing a message?

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:25 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 12:12 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:53 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
For the years 2016-2025:

Player/wRC+
Tommy Pham: 123
Jose Martinez: 122
Brendan Donovan: 118
Matt Carpenter: 117
Lars Nootbaar: 113
Tyler O’Neill: 111
Stephen Piscotty: 107
Nolan Gorman: 104
Alec Burleson: 104
Kolten Wong: 100
Tommy Edman: 99
Harrison Bader: 98

Also worth noting that many of those other players contributed meaningful value (as opposed to destroying it) in the field and/or on the bases as well—they weren’t extremely one-dimensional, bat-only players.
Thanks for the list. However, none of the players you listed are clearly better pure hitters than Burleson. Carpenter, in his best years, maybe. And, I predict, Burleson, at only 26, will still improve. JMHO

“Thanks for the research and data that answer my question. However, I will now willfully ignore it (because it doesn’t say what I want) and continue to spam the forum with my usual bad-faith, fact-free horsesh*t.”

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:32 pm**

hullie wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 12:17 pm
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
Why is he like Kruk?
A very good poster (not me) made the comparison here a week or so ago.
We knew it wasn’t you when you said “a very good poster”

He last Burleson thread was immediate responded with.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 14:47 pm John Kruk w/o the OBP.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:38 pm**

ecleme22 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
Why is he like Kruk?

Fat, bats left, white, man of the people

He’ll rip your ear off like it’s the lid of a pickle jar

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Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:50 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 12:12 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:53 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
For the years 2016-2025:

Player/wRC+
Tommy Pham: 123
Jose Martinez: 122
Brendan Donovan: 118
Matt Carpenter: 117
Lars Nootbaar: 113
Tyler O’Neill: 111
Stephen Piscotty: 107
Nolan Gorman: 104
Alec Burleson: 104
Kolten Wong: 100
Tommy Edman: 99
Harrison Bader: 98

Also worth noting that many of those other players contributed meaningful value (as opposed to destroying it) in the field and/or on the bases as well—they weren’t extremely one-dimensional, bat-only players.
Thanks for the list. However, none of the players you listed are clearly better pure hitters than Burleson. Carpenter, in his best years, maybe. And, I predict, Burleson, at only 26, will still improve. JMHO

And that list just includes the hitting aspect of a player like NY refers to.
Now imagine how far down the list Burly is if the list is instead who produces better WAR production than Alec, and WAR is a far better comp of what a player provides a team. But with you, it's apparently more about a player than any consideration about what that player actually net contributes to help a team win games.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 12:54 pm**

I like Burly. He's a pretty good hitter and takes professional ABs. The power will likely develop over the next couple seasons. That being said, I don't think his value will ever be higher than it is right now and we need pitching. If you can get a quality starting pitcher from someone, I think you have to pull the trigger.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 13:00 pm**

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 19:49 pm Kruk walked in 10% of at bats, Burleson in 5% of the at bats-another Huge difference, Kruk was a .300 hitter, Burleson at .264

Burleson is a free swinger, who clogs up the bases, and is horrible at first and outfield, and I mean horrible

If you want to hit him 7th or 8th as a DH, he is barely tolerable

Why doesn’t somebody ride his behind to get in better shape

Theres no doubt shadys comparison js ridiculous, but your statement of barely tolerable for 7th or 8th is equally ridiculous. Burky has a .787 ops in a league with a
719 ops. His ops+ is 120 meaning burly is hitting 20% better than league average. No team has a lineup deep enough for that to be hitting 7th or 8th.

Burly is currently our best hitter and we rank near the middle of the pack in runs scored despite starting acott and pages with burly our best hitter. Not 30th.

Your expectations are just as delusional as shadys delusional burly obsession.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 13:03 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 19:04 pm Burly's coming into his prime years. And you Rummies want him benched, traded or, even, DFAed. That's hilarious. Get fricken' real if you think you know anything about pro baseball hitters. The Cardinals know what they have in Burleson. He's one the finest hitters the organization has developed in the last ten years. Get over it critics.

Kruk and burlys stats arent even close. Why make such a ridiculous comparison.

No one wants burly dfad anymore. Traded- some do yes. But not one person is calling for his dfa. Stop this ridiculous trolling. And this is his 4th year- thats likely his ceiling which is fine. His stats are no way comparable to kruk. Kruk had a .828 ops his first season even though he started majors later.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 13:30 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 12:12 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:53 am
Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:26 am Please list all the hitters the Cardinals organization has developed in the last ten years that are better hitters than Burleson.
For the years 2016-2025:

Player/wRC+
Tommy Pham: 123
Jose Martinez: 122
Brendan Donovan: 118
Matt Carpenter: 117
Lars Nootbaar: 113
Tyler O’Neill: 111
Stephen Piscotty: 107
Nolan Gorman: 104
Alec Burleson: 104
Kolten Wong: 100
Tommy Edman: 99
Harrison Bader: 98

Also worth noting that many of those other players contributed meaningful value (as opposed to destroying it) in the field and/or on the bases as well—they weren’t extremely one-dimensional, bat-only players.
Thanks for the list. However, none of the players you listed are clearly better pure hitters than Burleson. Carpenter, in his best years, maybe. And, I predict, Burleson, at only 26, will still improve. JMHO

"Carpenter, in his best years, maybe"

You're kidding, right?

M. Carp
2013 - 2018
127 HR
439 RBI's
609 Runs
.273 .378 .472 .851
131 OPS+

3 time All-Star
Silver Slugger
3 Top 12 MVP voting finishes

Bumbles
2023 - 2025
45 HR
172 RBI's
152 Runs
.264 .315 .417 .733
103 OPS

No comparison, but you already knew that even before you posted that stupid comment.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 14:30 pm**

This team would be an absolute mess, offensively, without Burleson in the lineup. Let's see what Burleson's stats are by the time he's 30. For the next three seasons. Which should be his prime years. Also, I see quite a few single digit home run years for Kruk. His top season HR total was 21. Burly's already matched that. Kruk does seem superior with BAs, overall. Many of you seem to feel Burleson has peaked as a hitter. I don't think so.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 14:36 pm**

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 08:34 am The only true comparison between Kruk and Burleson is girth!

That reminds me, what is his job now?

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 14:51 pm**

Wattage wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 13:00 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 19:49 pm Kruk walked in 10% of at bats, Burleson in 5% of the at bats-another Huge difference, Kruk was a .300 hitter, Burleson at .264

Burleson is a free swinger, who clogs up the bases, and is horrible at first and outfield, and I mean horrible

If you want to hit him 7th or 8th as a DH, he is barely tolerable

Why doesn’t somebody ride his behind to get in better shape
Theres no doubt shadys comparison js ridiculous, but your statement of barely tolerable for 7th or 8th is equally ridiculous. Burky has a .787 ops in a league with a
719 ops. His ops+ is 120 meaning burly is hitting 20% better than league average. No team has a lineup deep enough for that to be hitting 7th or 8th.

Burly is currently our best hitter and we rank near the middle of the pack in runs scored despite starting acott and pages with burly our best hitter. Not 30th.

Your expectations are just as delusional as shadys delusional burly obsession.

I'm not the only one that made that comparison. In fact, I got the idea from another poster. Wonder why nobody blasted that poster.

Posted: **18 Aug 2025 15:00 pm**

Shady wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 14:51 pm
Wattage wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 13:00 pm
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 19:49 pm Kruk walked in 10% of at bats, Burleson in 5% of the at bats-another Huge difference, Kruk was a .300 hitter, Burleson at .264

Burleson is a free swinger, who clogs up the bases, and is horrible at first and outfield, and I mean horrible

If you want to hit him 7th or 8th as a DH, he is barely tolerable

Why doesn’t somebody ride his behind to get in better shape
Theres no doubt shadys comparison js ridiculous, but your statement of barely tolerable for 7th or 8th is equally ridiculous. Burky has a .787 ops in a league with a
719 ops. His ops+ is 120 meaning burly is hitting 20% better than league average. No team has a lineup deep enough for that to be hitting 7th or 8th.

Burly is currently our best hitter and we rank near the middle of the pack in runs scored despite starting acott and pages with burly our best hitter. Not 30th.

Your expectations are just as delusional as shadys delusional burly obsession.
I'm not the only one that made that comparison. In fact, I got the idea from another poster. Wonder why nobody blasted that poster.

I didn’t even notice someone else said it. Maybe because they didn’t say it 179 times and start multiple threads about it.

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