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desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:22 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:15 pm

icon wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:09 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:05 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:59 pm Let me give yall a little history lesson

Back in 2011, when TLR resigned, it was apparent that BDW and Mo were absolutely overjoyed, because “The Load” was going out the door at years end.

TLR had the gravitas to challenge the GM and by proxy the owner to improve his teams and he wanted certain players here and certain players gone

Mo got a shot in at TLR by trading away Chris Duncan too

BDW and Mo starting in 2012 wanted to control everything with no backtalk from dugout, hired Matheny who was on verge of bankruptcy, hired Shildt who was quickly fired when he challenged Mo, and Marmol who is one of the youngest and lowest paid MLB managers

Toss in HackGate in 2015 when BDW and Mo played the plausible deniability card and orchestrated a back room deal with Manfred to make Correa the fall guy, don’t forget BDW chaired the committee that hired Manfred, and also the Judge in Texas didn’t allow Correa to say anything at his trial, Correa played nice, served time and I’m sure got a fat hush money wad for doing so.

It’s literally been a feces show for about a decade.

They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

They killed a Golden Goose due to their own insecurities and poor decision making

This franchise is close to being the Pirates right now and I doubt BDW or BDW3 will give Bloom free rein to run the organization as he sees fit.

The owner and Mo have put major dent in this Organization that will be Long Lasting.

Buckle up!

How depressing.

It is. It’s also accurate.

The truth hits some people where it hurts.

Do sad. No joy at all in just watching two storied teams going at it.

If you think this Cardinals team has anything to do with the storied teams of the past other than laundry, you’re fooling yourself.

Both are steeped in history and storied franchises.
Going a long way back.

I understand that. But again, what does this Cardinals team have in common with the great teams of the past? Not a (drat) thing.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am Bernie once reported that Shildt went into Mo's office and demanded he make trades or sign for the players Schildt thought he needed to win a WS (oh the nerve ).

Mo got p i z z ed and well, we all know what happened.

Cranny wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:07 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am Bernie once reported that Shildt went into Mo's office and demanded he make trades or sign for the players Schildt thought he needed to win a WS (oh the nerve ).

Mo got p i z z ed and well, we all know what happened.

That was a big mistake on Mo’s part.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:13 am

Cranny wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:07 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am Bernie once reported that Shildt went into Mo's office and demanded he make trades or sign for the players Schildt thought he needed to win a WS (oh the nerve ).

Mo got p i z z ed and well, we all know what happened.

That was a big mistake on Mo’s part.

EGO

But to be fair Mo was The Boss and Shildt may have overestimated his own power.

Cranny wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:42 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:22 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:15 pm

icon wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:13 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:09 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 22:05 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:59 pm Let me give yall a little history lesson

Back in 2011, when TLR resigned, it was apparent that BDW and Mo were absolutely overjoyed, because “The Load” was going out the door at years end.

TLR had the gravitas to challenge the GM and by proxy the owner to improve his teams and he wanted certain players here and certain players gone

Mo got a shot in at TLR by trading away Chris Duncan too

BDW and Mo starting in 2012 wanted to control everything with no backtalk from dugout, hired Matheny who was on verge of bankruptcy, hired Shildt who was quickly fired when he challenged Mo, and Marmol who is one of the youngest and lowest paid MLB managers

Toss in HackGate in 2015 when BDW and Mo played the plausible deniability card and orchestrated a back room deal with Manfred to make Correa the fall guy, don’t forget BDW chaired the committee that hired Manfred, and also the Judge in Texas didn’t allow Correa to say anything at his trial, Correa played nice, served time and I’m sure got a fat hush money wad for doing so.

It’s literally been a feces show for about a decade.

They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

They killed a Golden Goose due to their own insecurities and poor decision making

This franchise is close to being the Pirates right now and I doubt BDW or BDW3 will give Bloom free rein to run the organization as he sees fit.

The owner and Mo have put major dent in this Organization that will be Long Lasting.

Buckle up!

How depressing.

It is. It’s also accurate.

The truth hits some people where it hurts.

Do sad. No joy at all in just watching two storied teams going at it.

If you think this Cardinals team has anything to do with the storied teams of the past other than laundry, you’re fooling yourself.

Both are steeped in history and storied franchises.
Going a long way back.

I understand that. But again, what does this Cardinals team have in common with the great teams of the past? Not a (drat) thing.

Doesn’t erase the legacies and traditions, rat.

hmoss859 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Now the owner has philosophical differences with his fan base

He will never win that battle until product improves

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:59 pm Let me give yall a little history lesson

Back in 2011, when TLR resigned, it was apparent that BDW and Mo were absolutely overjoyed, because “The Load” was going out the door at years end.

TLR had the gravitas to challenge the GM and by proxy the owner to improve his teams and he wanted certain players here and certain players gone

Mo got a shot in at TLR by trading away Chris Duncan too

BDW and Mo starting in 2012 wanted to control everything with no backtalk from dugout, hired Matheny who was on verge of bankruptcy, hired Shildt who was quickly fired when he challenged Mo, and Marmol who is one of the youngest and lowest paid MLB managers

Toss in HackGate in 2015 when BDW and Mo played the plausible deniability card and orchestrated a back room deal with Manfred to make Correa the fall guy, don’t forget BDW chaired the committee that hired Manfred, and also the Judge in Texas didn’t allow Correa to say anything at his trial, Correa played nice, served time and I’m sure got a fat hush money wad for doing so.

It’s literally been a feces show for about a decade.

They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

They killed a Golden Goose due to their own insecurities and poor decision making

This franchise is close to being the Pirates right now and I doubt BDW or BDW3 will give Bloom free rein to run the organization as he sees fit.

The owner and Mo have put major dent in this Organization that will be Long Lasting.

Buckle up!

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:11 pm

hmoss859 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Now the owner has philosophical differences with his fan base

He will never win that battle until product improves

3 possible outcomes

1-Invest in major league roster, won’t happen, BDW will cry poor

2-Let Bloom tear it down to studs, with massive changes to players and manager/coaches

3-Sell the team

The spin coming from team will be infuriating in off season

There’s more misery on the way, BDW killed the Golden Goose

Goldfan wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:59 pm Let me give yall a little history lesson

Back in 2011, when TLR resigned, it was apparent that BDW and Mo were absolutely overjoyed, because “The Load” was going out the door at years end.

TLR had the gravitas to challenge the GM and by proxy the owner to improve his teams and he wanted certain players here and certain players gone

Mo got a shot in at TLR by trading away Chris Duncan too

BDW and Mo starting in 2012 wanted to control everything with no backtalk from dugout, hired Matheny who was on verge of bankruptcy, hired Shildt who was quickly fired when he challenged Mo, and Marmol who is one of the youngest and lowest paid MLB managers

Toss in HackGate in 2015 when BDW and Mo played the plausible deniability card and orchestrated a back room deal with Manfred to make Correa the fall guy, don’t forget BDW chaired the committee that hired Manfred, and also the Judge in Texas didn’t allow Correa to say anything at his trial, Correa played nice, served time and I’m sure got a fat hush money wad for doing so.

It’s literally been a feces show for about a decade.

They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

They killed a Golden Goose due to their own insecurities and poor decision making

This franchise is close to being the Pirates right now and I doubt BDW or BDW3 will give Bloom free rein to run the organization as he sees fit.

The owner and Mo have put major dent in this Organization that will be Long Lasting.

Buckle up!

You forgot the enormous Sized Ego of MO……he wanted credit so Badly for creating some sort of NEW Cardinals Way that was in place during that season Schildty ran off 17……. The team was going nowhere under this most likely analytically run MO/Gersch system. Schildty deviated and went back to old school Cardinals Baseball……ran off 17 and made playoffs. Thought he had the clout to keep his approach, but as now the famous “winning isn’t everything” quote from Mo clearly exposed……Winning takes a back seat to MO’s SYSTEM and EGO. Fired the 17 in row streak playoff manager……theres your Philosophical Differences. And Schildty all but admitted as much

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:59 pm Let me give yall a little history lesson

Back in 2011, when TLR resigned, it was apparent that BDW and Mo were absolutely overjoyed, because “The Load” was going out the door at years end.

TLR had the gravitas to challenge the GM and by proxy the owner to improve his teams and he wanted certain players here and certain players gone

Mo got a shot in at TLR by trading away Chris Duncan too

BDW and Mo starting in 2012 wanted to control everything with no backtalk from dugout, hired Matheny who was on verge of bankruptcy, hired Shildt who was quickly fired when he challenged Mo, and Marmol who is one of the youngest and lowest paid MLB managers

Toss in HackGate in 2015 when BDW and Mo played the plausible deniability card and orchestrated a back room deal with Manfred to make Correa the fall guy, don’t forget BDW chaired the committee that hired Manfred, and also the Judge in Texas didn’t allow Correa to say anything at his trial, Correa played nice, served time and I’m sure got a fat hush money wad for doing so.

It’s literally been a feces show for about a decade.

They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

They killed a Golden Goose due to their own insecurities and poor decision making

This franchise is close to being the Pirates right now and I doubt BDW or BDW3 will give Bloom free rein to run the organization as he sees fit.

The owner and Mo have put major dent in this Organization that will be Long Lasting.

Buckle up!

You forgot the enormous Sized Ego of MO……he wanted credit so Badly for creating some sort of NEW Cardinals Way that was in place during that season Schildty ran off 17……. The team was going nowhere under this most likely analytically run MO/Gersch system. Schildty deviated and went back to old school Cardinals Baseball……ran off 17 and made playoffs. Thought he had the clout to keep his approach, but as now the famous “winning isn’t everything” quote from Mo clearly exposed……Winning takes a back seat to MO’s SYSTEM and EGO. Fired the 17 in row streak playoff manager……theres your Philosophical Differences. And Schildty all but admitted as much

You just described my “last straw” with Mozo the Clown. I didn’t think much of his “leadership” from 2016 on, but firing Shildt showed the baseball world how petty and stupid Mozo really is.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:22 pm

RobbieRe wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:11 pm I know that Mo did not want to be challenged by his manager. He did not like Tony challenging the GM.

Seriously, was it ever revealed what the “philosophical differences” that Mo had with Mike Shildt? Was it that Shildt was challenging him — or was it Shildt’s decision making in the Cardinals’ playoff game against the Dodgers?

Pathetic.

Yes. Your post is pathetic


Living in the past with your own made up story

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 19:26 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:22 pm

RobbieRe wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:11 pm I know that Mo did not want to be challenged by his manager. He did not like Tony challenging the GM.

Seriously, was it ever revealed what the “philosophical differences” that Mo had with Mike Shildt? Was it that Shildt was challenging him — or was it Shildt’s decision making in the Cardinals’ playoff game against the Dodgers?

Pathetic.

Yes. Your post is pathetic


Living in the past with your own made up story

This is probably dumb of me to jump in here and throw gasoline on this fire but you have REPEATEDLY cited historical achievements as the reason the Cardinals franchise is apparently, IYO, still superior to up-and-comers like the Padres who appear to be on the path to success.

And now you're jumping down someone's throat who cited what was likely one of the major turning points in the downward spiral of this organization as "the past," even though it was barely 5 years ago.

Goldfan wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Baseball Savant wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 21:59 pm Let me give yall a little history lesson

Back in 2011, when TLR resigned, it was apparent that BDW and Mo were absolutely overjoyed, because “The Load” was going out the door at years end.

TLR had the gravitas to challenge the GM and by proxy the owner to improve his teams and he wanted certain players here and certain players gone

Mo got a shot in at TLR by trading away Chris Duncan too

BDW and Mo starting in 2012 wanted to control everything with no backtalk from dugout, hired Matheny who was on verge of bankruptcy, hired Shildt who was quickly fired when he challenged Mo, and Marmol who is one of the youngest and lowest paid MLB managers

Toss in HackGate in 2015 when BDW and Mo played the plausible deniability card and orchestrated a back room deal with Manfred to make Correa the fall guy, don’t forget BDW chaired the committee that hired Manfred, and also the Judge in Texas didn’t allow Correa to say anything at his trial, Correa played nice, served time and I’m sure got a fat hush money wad for doing so.

It’s literally been a feces show for about a decade.

They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

They killed a Golden Goose due to their own insecurities and poor decision making

This franchise is close to being the Pirates right now and I doubt BDW or BDW3 will give Bloom free rein to run the organization as he sees fit.

The owner and Mo have put major dent in this Organization that will be Long Lasting.

Buckle up!

You forgot the enormous Sized Ego of MO……he wanted credit so Badly for creating some sort of NEW Cardinals Way that was in place during that season Schildty ran off 17……. The team was going nowhere under this most likely analytically run MO/Gersch system. Schildty deviated and went back to old school Cardinals Baseball……ran off 17 and made playoffs. Thought he had the clout to keep his approach, but as now the famous “winning isn’t everything” quote from Mo clearly exposed……Winning takes a back seat to MO’s SYSTEM and EGO. Fired the 17 in row streak playoff manager……theres your Philosophical Differences. And Schildty all but admitted as much