Is Oli Your Choice For 2026 Manager

[Red7]

So it seems the overwhelming consensus is a NO for 2026.

So, why have him continue any further in 2025? Why not just bring in an interim like Stubby or maybe Oquendo w/ zero expectations that they will be the 2026 manager. They can let the locker room breathe a little bit and work on culture, fundamentals, and building it up for '26 and beyond.

Because intelligent organizations don’t make decisions based on a concensus of the fans, much less those on the internet.

[blueboys69]

Tough to say.

I think this team has outperformed my expectations at time.

This roster construction was so poor. I have a hard time believing he is to blame for the current status.

That said, I look at the development of Gorman, Walker, Nootbar, etc. and wonder where is the growth? Where is the development?

[Basil Shabazz]

So it seems the overwhelming consensus is a NO for 2026.

So, why have him continue any further in 2025? Why not just bring in an interim like Stubby or maybe Oquendo w/ zero expectations that they will be the 2026 manager. They can let the locker room breathe a little bit and work on culture, fundamentals, and building it up for '26 and beyond.

Because intelligent organizations don’t make decisions based on a concensus of the fans, much less those on the internet.

Soooo, you think Oli should stay?

Also, it is a consensus with an S.

[TheJackBurton]

I'm not an Oli fan. I'm not a Mo fan. But it shocks me they get the vast majority of the blame when we have a cheap owner. He could transform the team immediately by signing free agents like Valdez, Tucker, and others. (Would such players even entertain coming to St. Louis anymore? Remember when it was Baseball Heaven?) A new manager and Bloom will still be limited by DeWitt.

I'm not one who thinks that the DeWitts are remotely close to the Yankees or Dodgers in spending, but really other than the past 2-3 seasons they haven't been spend thrifts either.

Problem has been Mo has wasted a lot of their money on terrible UFA signings and even worse extensions i.e. Matt Carpenter.

There is no excuse for them not spending more when they had the opportunity but they haven't exactly been the Florida Marlins either.

[DBarr]

100% NO, NO !!!!!!

[TheJackBurton]

Tough to say.

I think this team has outperformed my expectations at time.

This roster construction was so poor. I have a hard time believing he is to blame for the current status.

That said, I look at the development of Gorman, Walker, Nootbar, etc. and wonder where is the growth? Where is the development?

There is an argument to be made about the quality of the roster, but as you stated what has he done to improve the players he does have?

The defense hasn't improved, the offense is an absolute roller coaster, the bullpen usage is ridiculous.

He wasn't exactly given a lamborghini, but he hasn't done anything to turn his camry into anything better.

Yeah he's one of the greatest managers in the history of the game, but how many players came here or up through the system that Tony La Russa didn't make markedly better? Colby Rasmus is about the only I can think of.

[blueboys69]

I'm not an Oli fan. I'm not a Mo fan. But it shocks me they get the vast majority of the blame when we have a cheap owner. He could transform the team immediately by signing free agents like Valdez, Tucker, and others. (Would such players even entertain coming to St. Louis anymore? Remember when it was Baseball Heaven?) A new manager and Bloom will still be limited by DeWitt.

I'm not one who thinks that the DeWitts are remotely close to the Yankees or Dodgers in spending, but really other than the past 2-3 seasons they haven't been spend thrifts either.

Problem has been Mo has wasted a lot of their money on terrible UFA signings and even worse extensions i.e. Matt Carpenter.

There is no excuse for them not spending more when they had the opportunity but they haven't exactly been the Florida Marlins either.

I don't think the goal should be to keep up on the spending.

But, as a Wisconsin native for the last 8 years and one who married into a Brewers family, it sure does feel like that organization has caught and passed the Cardinals.

I think the game has changed underneath the Cardinals feet and they have shown little ability to keep up.

[blueboys69]

Tough to say.

I think this team has outperformed my expectations at time.

This roster construction was so poor. I have a hard time believing he is to blame for the current status.

That said, I look at the development of Gorman, Walker, Nootbar, etc. and wonder where is the growth? Where is the development?

There is an argument to be made about the quality of the roster, but as you stated what has he done to improve the players he does have?

The defense hasn't improved, the offense is an absolute roller coaster, the bullpen usage is ridiculous.

He wasn't exactly given a lamborghini, but he hasn't done anything to turn his camry into anything better.

Yeah he's one of the greatest managers in the history of the game, but how many players came here or up through the system that Tony La Russa didn't make markedly better? Colby Rasmus is about the only I can think of.

I think some of the defensive issues goes back to roster construction. It seems as of the last 5 years, they no longer look to fill holes in their lineup with external acquistions but just moving players.

See: the catcher position, Herrera, Jordan Walker.

[Ordinary Man]

I'm not an Oli fan. I'm not a Mo fan. But it shocks me they get the vast majority of the blame when we have a cheap owner. He could transform the team immediately by signing free agents like Valdez, Tucker, and others. (Would such players even entertain coming to St. Louis anymore? Remember when it was Baseball Heaven?) A new manager and Bloom will still be limited by DeWitt.

I'm not one who thinks that the DeWitts are remotely close to the Yankees or Dodgers in spending, but really other than the past 2-3 seasons they haven't been spend thrifts either.

Problem has been Mo has wasted a lot of their money on terrible UFA signings and even worse extensions i.e. Matt Carpenter.

There is no excuse for them not spending more when they had the opportunity but they haven't exactly been the Florida Marlins either.

Agreed. I think pretty much everyone thinks Moe wasted a LOT of what they did spend. But instead of canning him, they let him continue until fan interest waned, and now they're cutting payroll with the new guy about to take over. I'm not convinced they'll let Bloom can Oli but I do hope they give him (Bloom) the same resources they kept giving Moe, whether they get a new manager or not.

[TheJackBurton]

I'm not an Oli fan. I'm not a Mo fan. But it shocks me they get the vast majority of the blame when we have a cheap owner. He could transform the team immediately by signing free agents like Valdez, Tucker, and others. (Would such players even entertain coming to St. Louis anymore? Remember when it was Baseball Heaven?) A new manager and Bloom will still be limited by DeWitt.

I'm not one who thinks that the DeWitts are remotely close to the Yankees or Dodgers in spending, but really other than the past 2-3 seasons they haven't been spend thrifts either.

Problem has been Mo has wasted a lot of their money on terrible UFA signings and even worse extensions i.e. Matt Carpenter.

There is no excuse for them not spending more when they had the opportunity but they haven't exactly been the Florida Marlins either.

I don't think the goal should be to keep up on the spending.

But, as a Wisconsin native for the last 8 years and one who married into a Brewers family, it sure does feel like that organization has caught and passed the Cardinals.

I think the game has changed underneath the Cardinals feet and they have shown little ability to keep up.

There is no doubt the Brewers are a much better ran organization currently, but they also don't retain talent like they need to.

[JuanAgosto]

That answer should've been apparent with the disastrous 2023 season. If not, then it was blatantly obvious when Mo had to sign a group of old guys to lead the clubhouse since the idiot Marmol couldn't.

Granted, he's had a poor roster. Granted, he's had to play several out of natural positions because of Mozeliak's terrible roster construction. But if you cant lead, you aren't a manager. You're just an errand boy.

Both have to go. And DeWitt has to get serious about winning.

[blueboys69]

I'm not an Oli fan. I'm not a Mo fan. But it shocks me they get the vast majority of the blame when we have a cheap owner. He could transform the team immediately by signing free agents like Valdez, Tucker, and others. (Would such players even entertain coming to St. Louis anymore? Remember when it was Baseball Heaven?) A new manager and Bloom will still be limited by DeWitt.

I'm not one who thinks that the DeWitts are remotely close to the Yankees or Dodgers in spending, but really other than the past 2-3 seasons they haven't been spend thrifts either.

Problem has been Mo has wasted a lot of their money on terrible UFA signings and even worse extensions i.e. Matt Carpenter.

There is no excuse for them not spending more when they had the opportunity but they haven't exactly been the Florida Marlins either.

Agreed. I think pretty much everyone thinks Moe wasted a LOT of what they did spend. But instead of canning him, they let him continue until fan interest waned, and now they're cutting payroll with the new guy about to take over. I'm not convinced they'll let Bloom can Oli but I do hope they give him (Bloom) the same resources they kept giving Moe, whether they get a new manager or not.

I was watching something from the baseball network about Bloom. The Red Soxs cut payroll 4 years in a row under him.

Kind of feel like we are headed for something similar.

[alw80]

Tough to say.

I think this team has outperformed my expectations at time.

This roster construction was so poor. I have a hard time believing he is to blame for the current status.

That said, I look at the development of Gorman, Walker, Nootbar, etc. and wonder where is the growth? Where is the development?

There is an argument to be made about the quality of the roster, but as you stated what has he done to improve the players he does have?

The defense hasn't improved, the offense is an absolute roller coaster, the bullpen usage is ridiculous.

He wasn't exactly given a lamborghini, but he hasn't done anything to turn his camry into anything better.

Yeah he's one of the greatest managers in the history of the game, but how many players came here or up through the system that Tony La Russa didn't make markedly better? Colby Rasmus is about the only I can think of.

The roster is full of guys who don't have a real defensive position.

[TheJackBurton]

I'm not an Oli fan. I'm not a Mo fan. But it shocks me they get the vast majority of the blame when we have a cheap owner. He could transform the team immediately by signing free agents like Valdez, Tucker, and others. (Would such players even entertain coming to St. Louis anymore? Remember when it was Baseball Heaven?) A new manager and Bloom will still be limited by DeWitt.

I'm not one who thinks that the DeWitts are remotely close to the Yankees or Dodgers in spending, but really other than the past 2-3 seasons they haven't been spend thrifts either.

Problem has been Mo has wasted a lot of their money on terrible UFA signings and even worse extensions i.e. Matt Carpenter.

There is no excuse for them not spending more when they had the opportunity but they haven't exactly been the Florida Marlins either.

Agreed. I think pretty much everyone thinks Moe wasted a LOT of what they did spend. But instead of canning him, they let him continue until fan interest waned, and now they're cutting payroll with the new guy about to take over. I'm not convinced they'll let Bloom can Oli but I do hope they give him (Bloom) the same resources they kept giving Moe, whether they get a new manager or not.

There is that, and far too many "utility players" Players who can play positions adequately but aren't gold glovers at those positions.

[Cusecards]

My answer is no.
I know that the players mostly decide the outcome of games and a Manager can only do so much.
But....when he is in a position to make an “impact” on the game the vast majority of the time he seems to negatively impact the game.
And while I have no factual stats(just gut opinion!) I would put negative/positive at 80/20!

[ForumPolice]

So it seems the overwhelming consensus is a NO for 2026.

So, why have him continue any further in 2025? Why not just bring in an interim like Stubby or maybe Oquendo w/ zero expectations that they will be the 2026 manager. They can let the locker room breathe a little bit and work on culture, fundamentals, and building it up for '26 and beyond.

Because intelligent organizations don’t make decisions based on a concensus of the fans, much less those on the internet.

The consensus of the fans is they don't want to go to the ballpark to see this [shirt] show. A big part of that [shirt] show is Oli.

Even if they think he's the man, which I don't know why they would, at this point they need some sacrificial lambs because the fans want blood.

You start the season in 26 with him as the manager and the fans will know nothing has changed. It's not going to work