Swuhgen wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
Can’t get rid of everybody. Need some talent on the team.
What? So they can finish 74-88 instead of 70-92?
The last 2 months are gonna get ugly
Hanging onto Romero makes no sense
I think it will get ugly, but not because we traded 4 relievers. It will be ugly because the remaining players have given up on Oli and we didn't bring back any new blood to motivate the core.
Twice this week we've been shutout, which has absolutely nothing to do with lacking good relievers.
That's blatantly obvious. Why risk anything on a manager who has no real authority to have your back, who has not proven he knows how to win and who is gone at the end of the season?
Lets face it, without the leadership and energy of Pujols and Molina, the 2022 team would have fallen short. Oli wasn't going to lead the team to greatness. That was made clear by how Oli botched the Philly series.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:20 pm
His value wlll never be as high as today
Major whiff by front office
I don't know why some of you are so intent on gutting the team. Do you want to watch a team lose 100 games?
This season is shot…done….over..
Does it matter how many they lose?
Yeah, I'm about done watching them. I like watching competitive talent but this team just isn't doing it. Their entire philosophy is wrong. When you don't do anything well, you need to rethink your philosophy. Enough with the home run lust. Get hits, steal bases, score. Aim for the hole in the defense, stop trying to jack the ball over the wall. With two strikes make contact. I know it's the unselfish thing to do, but sometimes to excel you have to use small ball.Not by accident, but on purpose. The Brewers have scored 60 more runs than the Cards. Cards are 11 games out. Do the math.
LoL...it's so easy when you state it, but baseball ain't easy. gotta have the talent, not just on the offensive side, but the pitching side
"Aim for the hole..."
Thanks Captain Obvious. They didn't get an rbi guy in the off season and they trotted out rejects and retreads in an attempt to skimp by and save money. Now we see the fruits of their labors, or lack thereof.
You're welcome.
And who would they have gotten? They told you how they rolling with the suspects/prospects to see what they have...
Defintely a gamble, but not one that I would say is inexcusable.
I think really two scenrios.
Happy Ending :
Romero shows he can handle the closer role. He is named the closer for the '26 season. He excels in that role and is traded at the deadline for a Helsley-like haul.
Sad Ending :
He cannot hold on to the closer role. He resorts back to the pitcher he has been for us and is traded at the deadline for a Matoon-like haul.
Either way, I think this team is out at the deadline and he is getting moved. (Sorry to say).
If he becomes the closer he probably more valuable in July '26 than July '25. Otherwise, they gambled and there is a chance they don't get the same return.
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:49 pm
Not a major whiff. I'm sure for the right offer he was gone. But you might have noticed pen arms didn't return a lot this year. Seems every team in sell mode had pen arms available.
And they can still trade him in December.
Yea, I think this is the right answer. The Cardinals were more than willing to deal bullpen arms, but they shouldn't have traded him just to trade him. If they didn't get a return that they feel was worth it, then they shouldn't have made a move just to make one.
And yes, we still have this offseason. And JoJo also has two months to showcase his ability to close games. That might make him more valuable if they do decide to trade him during the offseason.
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 18:33 pm
Somebody still needs to pitch. Plus he’s under control for next season at a $4-5m Arb number. If you want to compete in 2026, you still need some experience in the bullpen.
Some on here seem to forget there's a next year. Trade everyone! Even though I have no idea who was offered for him it was a mistake not to trade him!
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:49 pm
Not a major whiff. I'm sure for the right offer he was gone. But you might have noticed pen arms didn't return a lot this year. Seems every team in sell mode had pen arms available.
And they can still trade him in December.
Not sure I would say the pen arms didn’t return a lot.
Cards got at least as much if not more for Helsley (3.00 ERA/1.39 WHIP) than Dbacks got for Eugenio Suarez (.897 OPS/36 HR). And the impact of an every day player is far more than the impact of a reliever. Cards also got a better prospect for Matz than I thought they would.
And look at the kind of prospect that was traded for Mason Miller. That rarely happens at the deadline and even more rare for a reliever.
Now I get that Helsley/Miller are closers, while Romero is not. But I also thought the return was pretty good for Tyler Rogers and Seranthony Dominguez.
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Don't know why so many wanted us to trade our only reliable LHP out of the bullpen.
He is in his prime years as is Brendan Donovan. I really love how they both prepare.
They both are in their prime years.
Both will be 29 when 2026 spring training is here.
JoJo is 4 months older than Brendan.
Nobody is screaming at management for keeping Donovan.
We probably would have had a better return if Donovan had been traded.
cards53 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 16:39 pm
Don't know why so many wanted us to trade our only reliable LHP out of the bullpen.
He is in his prime years as is Brendan Donovan. I really love how they both prepare.
They both are in their prime years.
Both will be 29 when 2026 spring training is here.
JoJo is 4 months older than Brendan.
Nobody is screaming at management for keeping Donovan.
We probably would have had a better return if Donovan had been traded.
I am glad we didn't trade either one!!
That’s kind of why the rebuild is going to take a long time they only trade rental players who only bring back hope and prayer prospects years away or meh players who close to the majors instead of players like Donovan burly and Romero who aren’t players to build around but will get high end prospects because of control and talent. But they will probably wait until they are rentals too and trade them for a meh return And keep the mediocrity going
AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:49 pm
Not a major whiff. I'm sure for the right offer he was gone. But you might have noticed pen arms didn't return a lot this year. Seems every team in sell mode had pen arms available.
And they can still trade him in December.
Not sure I would say the pen arms didn’t return a lot.
Cards got at least as much if not more for Helsley (3.00 ERA/1.39 WHIP) than Dbacks got for Eugenio Suarez (.897 OPS/36 HR). And the impact of an every day player is far more than the impact of a reliever. Cards also got a better prospect for Matz than I thought they would.
And look at the kind of prospect that was traded for Mason Miller. That rarely happens at the deadline and even more rare for a reliever.
Now I get that Helsley/Miller are closers, while Romero is not. But I also thought the return was pretty good for Tyler Rogers and Seranthony Dominguez.
First let me say I thought STL got as good a return as could be expected for the guys they dealt. I like Baez profile. I am not complaining. I just didn't think there were any sure thing prospects dealt this deadline.
But I do think we should have kept Romero who if he does well in the closer role doubles his value if they decide to deal him in December. And of course they did need to keep some of the staff to finish the year with a semblance of self respect.
I am against the idea of extending him now. Relievers in general are a fleeting group as far as performance goes. Guys find it and lose it. And fade away. Not sure how long this streak of excellence will last for JoJo. But of course if the years and salary are right heck OK.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 17:20 pm
His value wlll never be as high as today
Major whiff by front office
I don't know why some of you are so intent on gutting the team. Do you want to watch a team lose 100 games?
This season is shot…done….over..
Does it matter how many they lose?
Yeah, I'm about done watching them. I like watching competitive talent but this team just isn't doing it. Their entire philosophy is wrong. When you don't do anything well, you need to rethink your philosophy. Enough with the home run lust. Get hits, steal bases, score. Aim for the hole in the defense, stop trying to jack the ball over the wall. With two strikes make contact. I know it's the unselfish thing to do, but sometimes to excel you have to use small ball.Not by accident, but on purpose. The Brewers have scored 60 more runs than the Cards. Cards are 11 games out. Do the math.
LoL...it's so easy when you state it, but baseball ain't easy. gotta have the talent, not just on the offensive side, but the pitching side
"Aim for the hole..."
Thanks Captain Obvious. They didn't get an rbi guy in the off season and they trotted out rejects and retreads in an attempt to skimp by and save money. Now we see the fruits of their labors, or lack thereof.
You're welcome.
And who would they have gotten? They told you how they rolling with the suspects/prospects to see what they have...
Capt Clueless
This has been going on for a while now. You telling me they couldn't target a couple of talented players in two years? Get real. The Dodgers added, the Brewers added, Chicago added, San Diego added ....just to name a few. But our ownership? "We're so poor we can't compete. We need to lose and lose while we try to draft and develop CHEAP talent to have a chance to compete. Woe is us." Give me a break.
