STLtoday.com Forums
https://interact.stltoday.com/forums/
https://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1514832
He was an all-star because we had to have one. He wasn’t voted in by fans. Every player is a Cardinal. Mikolas is a 2 time All-star and a Cardinal, I suppose we shouldn’t trade him either?
He wasn't voted one because Cardinal fans don't care enough to vote him in. He is gold glove caliber and a top notch hitter who should be pursued by teams wanting to add excellence. He should be the face of this organization.
Donovan has a .788 OPS this season, a little above his career average. He’s never driven in or scored more than 73 runs in a season. He’s on pace for a little above that in runs this year and less in RBI. He is a solid player, but not someone an excellent team builds around. He’s a really nice complimentary player. If we could get a player with build around potential and more for him we should do it and not look back.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:47 pmHe wasn't voted one because Cardinal fans don't care enough to vote him in. He is gold glove caliber and a top notch hitter who should be pursued by teams wanting to add excellence. He should be the face of this organization.
Mikolas? Really. Fortunately, I take you as a more serious poster than this.
Classic over valuation of their own players. Some should warrant this approach but others give me a break.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 10:37 am Also from that Katie Woo article:
“ Other position players gathering varying levels of interest are Iván Herrera, Alec Burleson and Lars Nootbaar. The Cardinals will not part with one of their position players unless they are blown away by the offer, and their conversations have not progressed past initial check-ins.”
Yes to this. Just because he's the best player on a mediocre team doesn't mean he can't be traded. He's not a foundational piece on a team that intends to win a title.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:51 pmDonovan has a .788 OPS this season, a little above his career average. He’s never driven in or scored more than 73 runs in a season. He’s on pace for a little above that in runs this year and less in RBI. He is a solid player, but not someone an excellent team builds around. He’s a really nice complimentary player. If we could get a player with build around potential and more for him we should do it and not look back.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:47 pmHe wasn't voted one because Cardinal fans don't care enough to vote him in. He is gold glove caliber and a top notch hitter who should be pursued by teams wanting to add excellence. He should be the face of this organization.
Mikolas? Really. Fortunately, I take you as a more serious poster than this.
If Walker and Gorman took the next step this year then Donovan would be a valuable piece to keep. However since they haven’t you need to go look outside the organization. At this time Helsley and Donovan gives them the best chance to get those pieces. Also the young pitching prospects have not developed as hoped this year.icon wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:17 pmYes to this. Just because he's the best player on a mediocre team doesn't mean he can't be traded. He's not a foundational piece on a team that intends to win a title.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:51 pmDonovan has a .788 OPS this season, a little above his career average. He’s never driven in or scored more than 73 runs in a season. He’s on pace for a little above that in runs this year and less in RBI. He is a solid player, but not someone an excellent team builds around. He’s a really nice complimentary player. If we could get a player with build around potential and more for him we should do it and not look back.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:47 pmHe wasn't voted one because Cardinal fans don't care enough to vote him in. He is gold glove caliber and a top notch hitter who should be pursued by teams wanting to add excellence. He should be the face of this organization.
Mikolas? Really. Fortunately, I take you as a more serious poster than this.
A 121 OPS+ is nothing to sneeze at. He is a baseball rat who does everything well and can play virtually any position but catcher and pitcher. If we had 8 position players like him we'd be a frontrunner. I didn't suggest that we should build around him but there is no reason to take him out of the everyday lineup.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:51 pmDonovan has a .788 OPS this season, a little above his career average. He’s never driven in or scored more than 73 runs in a season. He’s on pace for a little above that in runs this year and less in RBI. He is a solid player, but not someone an excellent team builds around. He’s a really nice complimentary player. If we could get a player with build around potential and more for him we should do it and not look back.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:47 pmHe wasn't voted one because Cardinal fans don't care enough to vote him in. He is gold glove caliber and a top notch hitter who should be pursued by teams wanting to add excellence. He should be the face of this organization.
Mikolas? Really. Fortunately, I take you as a more serious poster than this.
Right. On a team that is spending money on guys like Goldschmidt and Arenado and maybe a few good, expensive starters, a guy like Donovan is great to have. Especially when he's cheap like he is now. If we were looking competitive the next few years I can understand holding onto him. But he's a career 117 OPS+ guy. That's pretty (bleep) good, but not a foundational guy.
I don't think you trade him for a prospect with potential. I think you trade him for someone who is major league ready or currently in the majors. Which is why I'm glad to see the Cardinals have a "sky high" asking price. I'm in favor of trading him in the right deal, but I agree that he's a (bleep) good player that we shouldn't just rush to give away just because.hugeCardfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:42 pmTrading for a prospect with "potential" is how we get into trouble in the first place. Donovan is actual and consistent as hel.l.
Alex Freeland is tearing up AAA and will probably get called up soon. LA has two OF in the top 30 of all MLB prospects. Dalton Rushing is their backup catcher. Plus a stable of pitchers. some hurt for sure. Also Dustin May. Maybe you meant no up and coming stars they would trade for what the Cardinals are offering.MrPostman01 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:51 pm Except for the high priced pitchers, the Dodgers really don't have any affordable up and coming stars.
https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/roster/40-man
How is Donovan and upgrade over Pages? I would be surprised if they went after Tucker. Even the Dodgers need cost controlled players .rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:27 pmRonnieRonnie Dobbs wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:19 pmI get all Pages would make sense for us, but I guess I don't understand why the Dodgers would want to trade one of their most productive players (3rd in bWAR among Dodgers position players), regardless of if he's playing CF or one of the corner OF spots.Rosie's Rule wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:06 pm Would have to consider Andy Pages and Sheehan for Donovan and Helsley- ?
Why? 24 year old Right handed hitting corner OF with pop.
(He is not a CF regardless of the Dodgers playing him in CF)
And 25 year old solid starting pitcher with upside.
Solves right handed bat w/pop issue, fills rotation void and opens up 2nd base for JJ while acquiring two players who are not arb eligible until 2027- a good “reset”.
If we’re dead set on no trade for Donnie then demand Rushing and and Noot. (Can trade surplus catching)
Donovan would be a downgrade for them. And they're going to throw a starter in the deal too? A downgrade offensively, then a starter for a reliever who is a free agent at the end of the season?
If the Dodgers got what they needed (Donny + Helsley), then they could easily be the top bidder this offseason for K. Tucker who's an upgrade over Pages.
With Ohtani-Freeman-Betts-Smith-Hernandez they still have an incredible 2025 offense that would also add Donny (.293 .360 .428 .788)!
Deal makes a lot of sense for both teams, win-win.