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IndCard75 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 08:42 am When thinking about this trade deadline I think about 2011 when we traded Colby Rasmus to Toronto for pitching. In my opinion this year we need to do what Toronto did in 2011. Find a trade partner that wants to trade us a young good OF for Hels Maton and Matz or something similar. We are not contenders. Our bullpen might not be the best but those pieces could help a contender get to the WS.
Same with Nootbar.

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

82birds wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 14:57 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:16 pm Cardinals lefty Steven Matz has drawn some trade interest as the July 31 deadline inches closer, reports Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (video link, bullpen talk beginning around the 4:10 mark).

“There are a handful of teams at least poking around on Matz,” per Goold.

He adds that the Cardinals will also likely be open to offers on righty Phil Maton but would need a very strong offer to trade closer Ryan Helsley, who could receive a qualifying offer if he’s not moved.

thx.
saw that earlier on MLBTR.
teams certainly SHOULD BE interested in Maton, at least, I would think

Goold is a shill for the Cards. It won’t happen. (If it does they are far dumber than I imagined.)

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 20:16 pm

mudpuppy37 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 15:14 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 15:09 pm Goold is a shill for the Cards. It won’t happen. (If it does they are far dumber than I imagined.)

He reported what he's heard/been told. How does that make him a "shill"?

I've been reading him for 15 years or so and he's aligned with the front office position far more than a beat writer should be. IMHO
Here's a picture I got of him not long ago.


Max Mercy Goold.jpeg

Melville wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 20:31 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:16 pm Cardinals lefty Steven Matz has drawn some trade interest as the July 31 deadline inches closer, reports Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (video link, bullpen talk beginning around the 4:10 mark).

“There are a handful of teams at least poking around on Matz,” per Goold.

He adds that the Cardinals will also likely be open to offers on righty Phil Maton but would need a very strong offer to trade closer Ryan Helsley, who could receive a qualifying offer if he’s not moved.

I have been correctly analyzing and explaining since last October that if STL is within 5 games of the division lead at the deadline, Mo would probably prefer to keep Helsley and take the comp pick in the off-season.
And that, of course, would mean offering a QO.
Which would be declined.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 09:07 am

Melville wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 20:31 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:16 pm Cardinals lefty Steven Matz has drawn some trade interest as the July 31 deadline inches closer, reports Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (video link, bullpen talk beginning around the 4:10 mark).

“There are a handful of teams at least poking around on Matz,” per Goold.

He adds that the Cardinals will also likely be open to offers on righty Phil Maton but would need a very strong offer to trade closer Ryan Helsley, who could receive a qualifying offer if he’s not moved.

I have been correctly analyzing and explaining since last October that if STL is within 5 games of the division lead at the deadline, Mo would probably prefer to keep Helsley and take the comp pick in the off-season.
And that, of course, would mean offering a QO.
Which would be declined.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Somewhat similarly to your position last year that the Cardinals should have offered a QO to Goldschmidt because that too would have been declined?

ClassicO wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 10:01 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 09:07 am

Melville wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 20:31 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:16 pm Cardinals lefty Steven Matz has drawn some trade interest as the July 31 deadline inches closer, reports Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (video link, bullpen talk beginning around the 4:10 mark).

“There are a handful of teams at least poking around on Matz,” per Goold.

He adds that the Cardinals will also likely be open to offers on righty Phil Maton but would need a very strong offer to trade closer Ryan Helsley, who could receive a qualifying offer if he’s not moved.

I have been correctly analyzing and explaining since last October that if STL is within 5 games of the division lead at the deadline, Mo would probably prefer to keep Helsley and take the comp pick in the off-season.
And that, of course, would mean offering a QO.
Which would be declined.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Somewhat similarly to your position last year that the Cardinals should have offered a QO to Goldschmidt because that too would have been declined?

Even better - Mel wanted the Cards to sign Matt Adams after his time in DC in early 2020 to platoon with Goldy. "Matt Adams is officially off the board. Sure thought he could have formed a good platoon with Goldschmidt."