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rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

woofy25 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:37 pm

Red7 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 14:33 pm Outside of Winn, Wetherholt, and Matthews, there’s no one in the organization who isn’t moveable. There’s nobody on the 26 outside of Winn that is a cornerstone player. Everyone else is a complimentary piece. Liberatore is finally showing promise, but if this qualifies as his breakout season, that’s scary.

It seems to me that a lot of people here are mindlessly locked in on Winn. And, I'm not 100% sure why. Maybe it's because he hasn't been as bad as Walker?
His career to-date is defined as a defensive first player (excellent at short) with slightly below average offensive numbers. He's having a worse season at the plate so far this year, than last. Not by much, but one would hope he would have taken a big step forward in '25 rather than a slight regression. It's great he's only 23, because he does still have time to improve at the plate. His numbers represent a 7-8 hitter rather than a player hitting in the 2 hole.
I'm not yet sold on Winn being given the SS job through his arbitration years. Am I the only one?

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 14:44 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 14:11 pm Trade the 25 year old lefty showing promise who hits 96 on the gun, over the unathletic, position less, powerless guy guy…

Thank god you aren’t making decisions.

.Maybe so/ I just said I don't see the Cardinals trading Burleson at the deadline. Do you?

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

bakker wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 14:05 pm I actually think Donovan could be traded. Not so much at the trade deadline but in the offseason. Looking at the Cardinal roster and their best prospects he might be available. He could bring quality in return. This isn't a shot at BD but just reality. Plus I think he has 2 more years before FA (maybe it's 3) and the '27 season could be problematic due to the labor situation.

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

Do you purposely try to embarrass yourself in other parts of life?

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:20 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:21 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:20 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:23 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:21 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:20 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

I agree, and this is why I could see him being traded. Heck, there are teams that would be so thrilled to see him in their lineup that they would put him in a corner OF spot.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:26 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:23 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:21 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:20 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

I agree, and this is why I could see him being traded. Heck, there are teams that would be so thrilled to see him in their lineup that they would put him in a corner OF spot.

Burleson can fricken' hit. And most MLB organizations likely know it.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:19 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:16 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 17:11 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:54 pm

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:46 pm Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

Do you purposely try to embarrass yourself in other parts of life?

No need to get personal. That's for low self esteem sorts. Do you not feel Burleson is a vert good defensive first baseman?