Four players I don't see the Cardinals trading at the deadline

[Youboughtit]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

[ClassicO]

Outside of Winn, Wetherholt, and Matthews, there’s no one in the organization who isn’t moveable. There’s nobody on the 26 outside of Winn that is a cornerstone player. Everyone else is a complimentary piece. Liberatore is finally showing promise, but if this qualifies as his breakout season, that’s scary.

It seems to me that a lot of people here are mindlessly locked in on Winn. And, I'm not 100% sure why. Maybe it's because he hasn't been as bad as Walker?
His career to-date is defined as a defensive first player (excellent at short) with slightly below average offensive numbers. He's having a worse season at the plate so far this year, than last. Not by much, but one would hope he would have taken a big step forward in '25 rather than a slight regression. It's great he's only 23, because he does still have time to improve at the plate. His numbers represent a 7-8 hitter rather than a player hitting in the 2 hole.
I'm not yet sold on Winn being given the SS job through his arbitration years. Am I the only one?

You're not alone. If he's untouchable, it's a sad day for the franchise trying to find its way to a ring.
In my mind, untouchable means there's no possible way they'd be traded because of their extreme value to the franchise.
This team has no superstars and only one player who may become one - JJ. And it's too early for Doyle to even be discussed.

[Shady]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

Burleson provides a lot of production/salary value. And the Cardinals realize that. Compare Burleson's production to Contreras' and Arenado's. Then compare thier salaries. I'd be OK if Burleson was moved for something that really improved the team. But the Cardinals know he is has plus production/salary value for them, right now.

[Absolut]

Trade the 25 year old lefty showing promise who hits 96 on the gun, over the unathletic, position less, powerless guy guy…

Thank god you aren’t making decisions.

.Maybe so/ I just said I don't see the Cardinals trading Burleson at the deadline. Do you?

I would if there was a good offer. Baseball is trending towards more athletic and more power. He doesn’t provide either. He doesn’t walk very often so his obp is 340, while decent, needs to be better to carry his deficiencies.

[ClassicO]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

[Shady]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive first baseman whether you realize it or not. Maybe Contreras should return to cater and Herrera DH to maximize the rosters' potential.

[2ninr]

I actually think Donovan could be traded. Not so much at the trade deadline but in the offseason. Looking at the Cardinal roster and their best prospects he might be available. He could bring quality in return. This isn't a shot at BD but just reality. Plus I think he has 2 more years before FA (maybe it's 3) and the '27 season could be problematic due to the labor situation.

He has 2 more years. Extend him or trade him. The clock is ticking on his value in trade. I'm all for a nice extension. If not, trade now or offseason.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Maybe Nathan Church?

[ClassicO]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

Do you purposely try to embarrass yourself in other parts of life?

[Shady]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

Do you purposely try to embarrass yourself in other parts of life?

No need to get personal. That's for low self esteem sorts. Do you not feel Burleson is a very good defensive first baseman?

[Talkin' Baseball]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

[Shady]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

I agree, and this is why I could see him being traded. Heck, there are teams that would be so thrilled to see him in their lineup that they would put him in a corner OF spot.

[Shady]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

I agree, and this is why I could see him being traded. Heck, there are teams that would be so thrilled to see him in their lineup that they would put him in a corner OF spot.

Burleson can fricken' hit. And most MLB organizations likely know it.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

This is wonderful news because the Red Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Twins are all contending and need help at 1B.

Some of those teams, maybe all, would be elated to add Burly to the lineup.

I agree, and this is why I could see him being traded. Heck, there are teams that would be so thrilled to see him in their lineup that they would put him in a corner OF spot.

Burleson can fricken' hit. And most MLB organizations likely know it.

I say you're right! Let's trade him and make 'em pay!

[ClassicO]

Donovan, Winn, Herrera and Burleson. Just about every other player should be available including Liberatore. I'd like to include Liberatore as not being available. But he lacks consistency.

Of the four players mentioned, only Herrera is an untouchable. That doesn’t mean I think the other three should be traded. If Bloom (not MO) needs to include any of those players in a trade that he feels upgrades the team, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

So your clogging DH and Burelson Walker Gorman can go. Sounds good to me. Wetherholt to 2B Donovan to LF and then must add a RH RF

You're right.
This team has 4 DHs with Walker, Gorman, Herrera, and Burly. The first two haven't figured out how to hit and the last two should not play defense. Do we need all four? Maybe only one - IH.
They need a CFer and RFer who can hit and play D. So do other teams.
It's hard to believe Josh Baez is the only one they have in the minors with even a hope of filling one of those roles. Awful.

Burleson is a very good defensive firstbaseman whether you realize it or not.

Do you purposely try to embarrass yourself in other parts of life?

No need to get personal. That's for low self esteem sorts. Do you not feel Burleson is a vert good defensive first baseman?

My apologies. No, he's not a very good first baseman. The internet has sites to verify this, and I know you can use the internet.
In short, he's 32nd in DRS and 28th in OAA among 1st basemen with over 100 ABs. That's not "very good."
And do you want to move Contreras off 1b?