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vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:27 pm If we're within 2-3 games of a wild card spot he's holding on to him

The division, yes. The wildcard, no.

In about two weeks. Mo needs about 3 or 4 teams bidding for Helsley. At least two. Namely the Phillies and Dodgers.

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Agree.....but, if you sell Helsley, you are punting the season - something I'm not for just yet.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Agree.....but, if you sell Helsley, you are punting the season - something I'm not for just yet.

Unless within 3 in the division at the deadline, Mo needs to "cut the cord", hopefully, for the future.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:20 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Agree.....but, if you sell Helsley, you are punting the season - something I'm not for just yet.

Unless within 3 in the division at the deadline, Mo needs to "cut the cord", hopefully, for the future.

Maybe. I think a team can make up 3 games in 2 months, though. I asked a question/made a trade proposal in another thread that I think might allow us to do both (compete and create a clean slate for Bloom). See what you think.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:28 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:20 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Agree.....but, if you sell Helsley, you are punting the season - something I'm not for just yet.

Unless within 3 in the division at the deadline, Mo needs to "cut the cord", hopefully, for the future.

Maybe. I think a team can make up 3 games in 2 months, though. I asked a question/made a trade proposal in another thread that I think might allow us to do both (compete and create a clean slate for Bloom). See what you think.

I think I already have. If not, I will. Ideally it would be nice to make some trades to improve the team for the future and still remain very competitive for at least a wildcard spot this season.

I dont think relievers have as much value as you think you do

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Agree.....but, if you sell Helsley, you are punting the season - something I'm not for just yet.

nonsense,the cards could trade helesley and improve...he is attractive to contenders because he can be dominant but this seasn he hasnt been anything special and the cards have some good arms in the pen

Shady wrote: ↑15 Jul 2025 19:42 pm It's the prudent thing to do. I keep seeing the Dodgers as a potential suitor. They have some very good prospects.

It won’t be a good return. It will be decent if they trade him.

His value has gone way down.

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 18:16 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:16 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 16:06 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 15:09 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Jul 2025 13:38 pm The Phillies could sure use Helsley. Be nice to get a top 5 prospect and a top ten prospect in return. Kind of like what the Cardinals got from the Rangers in the Montgomery deal. That's the kind of trade Mo needs to pull off.

that trade is looking sketchy. a lot of under performance and injury history

I don't know......Montgomery has been BAD since he left. We got a serviceable lefty in King, a possible future rotation piece in Roby, and the Texas League Batting Title winner in Saggese, who I think is going to be a really nice player once he gets some runway.

I would settle for a similar return for Helsley at the deadline.

Agree.....but, if you sell Helsley, you are punting the season - something I'm not for just yet.

nonsense,the cards could trade helesley and improve...he is attractive to contenders because he can be dominant but this seasn he hasnt been anything special and the cards have some good arms in the pen

I think it is very hard to remove a high octane closer from your pen and believe truly competitive down the stretch for a playoff chase. Who would close? Maton? Maybe, but that just creates more holes to fill. Our pen has been average at best, with a lot of guys riding thr shuttle to Memphis who haven't been partcualry good (Roycroft, O'Brien, Svanson, Munoz, etc.)

The trade deadline is two weeks from today. If the Cardinals are still barely hanging on, Mo needs to hope at least one team feels Helsley is still a dominant closer.

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:14 am The trade deadline is two weeks from today. If the Cardinals are still barely hanging on, Mo needs to hope at least one team feels Helsley is still a dominant closer.

so you think a team will ignore how he's pitching this season?

Sure

craviduce wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:34 am

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:14 am The trade deadline is two weeks from today. If the Cardinals are still barely hanging on, Mo needs to hope at least one team feels Helsley is still a dominant closer.

so you think a team will ignore how he's pitching this season?

Sure

Many teams will want him. It will become a matter of price.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 12:07 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:34 am

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:14 am The trade deadline is two weeks from today. If the Cardinals are still barely hanging on, Mo needs to hope at least one team feels Helsley is still a dominant closer.

so you think a team will ignore how he's pitching this season?

Sure

Many teams will want him. It will become a matter of price.

This might be rather obvious. But I like an idea a heard on the radio. Shop Helsley for a quality return. Not for quantity. Tell every team that is interested in Helsley, we're looking for the top prospect we can get. Then see what the offers are.