Anonymous player upset with how Blues handled Nick Leddy situation

[Red7]

I don’t think the issue is with Leddy being moved, per se, but the fact a work around a NTC exists. I think a fair compromise would be that a player with a NTC, could reject the waiver claim and become a UFA, thereby terminating his contract and any salary obligations.

[sdaltons]

I don’t think the issue is with Leddy being moved, per se, but the fact a work around a NTC exists. I think a fair compromise would be that a player with a NTC, could reject the waiver claim and become a UFA, thereby terminating his contract and any salary obligations.

So then you have an interesting question. Would you rather make $4 mil on a (bleep) team that's likely to deal you to a contender by the deadline OR $1 mil and join a contender from the start?

[a smell of green grass]

Why do people get upset when:

Team + Player agree to contract.
Team executes contract.
Player upset.


I rarely ever feel bad for a player in this kind of situation. I really like Leddy too and bummed he is gone because I am a fan of the stay-at-home D-man and think it really fits the Blues style of play. However the contract is what the contract is. Now he can go get millions to play hockey in California.

Sorry but not sorry?

Yeah. The only thing I would add is a player shouldn't be running to Elliotte Friedman with a grievance, IF that really ever happened.

ASOGG feels the players pain today.

They thought they had a no-trade, but that is not the same as a no-move.

I thought that I was hanging with Blue Collar guys, and I'm in here with Management types.

The pretend hill that you're dying on today is that Leddy didn't know that his no-trade clause meant he could be waived?

This forum needs better trolls.

Amazing that a player crying foul in contract/player handling could possibly be cast as ASOGG's "pretend hill".

Oh well. At least it's comedy to watch some BluesTalkers hoist up their pretend-excuses for Army. It's like watching a cult of 6th-grade girls in action.

[bluetunehead]

I don’t think the issue is with Leddy being moved, per se, but the fact a work around a NTC exists. I think a fair compromise would be that a player with a NTC, could reject the waiver claim and become a UFA, thereby terminating his contract and any salary obligations.

Yeah I mean the obvious troll here can speculate all he wants about how this is going to destroy the locker room but the player who called in seems more frustrated that both NTCs and NMCs exist and have different rules. This isn't about the Blues specifically. The Rangers did the same thing with Goodrow.

For the Blues in particular, the differences between NTCs and NMCs are literally a major sticking point as to why the Blues didn't re-sign Pietrangelo, so nobody should really be surprised that Armstrong exercised that option.

[smilinjoefission]

Army is the one to blame for a) trading for that slug, and b) extending him...but he was smart enough to understand Leddy made this team far worse and did what he could to remove him from the team. The alternative would be healthy scratch Leddy every game, because he wouldn't play another game for the Blues.

[DoneLurking]

Why do people get upset when:

Team + Player agree to contract.
Team executes contract.
Player upset.


I rarely ever feel bad for a player in this kind of situation. I really like Leddy too and bummed he is gone because I am a fan of the stay-at-home D-man and think it really fits the Blues style of play. However the contract is what the contract is. Now he can go get millions to play hockey in California.

Sorry but not sorry?

Yeah. The only thing I would add is a player shouldn't be running to Elliotte Friedman with a grievance, IF that really ever happened.

ASOGG feels the players pain today.

They thought they had a no-trade, but that is not the same as a no-move.

I thought that I was hanging with Blue Collar guys, and I'm in here with Management types.

The pretend hill that you're dying on today is that Leddy didn't know that his no-trade clause meant he could be waived?

This forum needs better trolls.

Amazing that a player crying foul in contract/player handling could possibly be cast as ASOGG's "pretend hill".

Oh well. At least it's comedy to watch some BluesTalkers hoist up their pretend-excuses for Army. It's like watching a cult of 6th-grade girls in action.

So you're saying that you believe Leddy didn't know that his no-trade clause meant he could be waived. Got it.

[Army's Mom]

Armstrong would have waived his mother. And his grandmother.

I haven't been living up to my contract...

This is why you don't give out NMCs. And this is the risk players accept when they negotiate for an NTC instead of an NMC. If more players felt more strongly about it, the PA could negotiate to eliminate NTC's altogether (and force players to negotiate for full NMCs), but they won't, because they don't. NTC's and partial NTC's give lesser players (who don't merit an NMC) more control than they could otherwise have.

If Leddy had played well enough that the Blues viewed him as an asset, they never would have waived him in the first place.

[a smell of green grass]

I trust the players a lot more than I trust management.

I bet that this contract squawk is real, not pretend.
I bet that the dealing represents the shaft applied by Blues management to the player.
I bet that Doug Armstrong was not kidding when he sneakily said that "I have ways of getting around a NTC".
I bet that this maneuver is not "common practice" in the NHL.
I bet that that is player is not alone in his gripe.
I bet that every player and agent in the NHL is now aware of what went down with the Blues.

So when free agents have choices in the future, how many will sign up for a contract with the Blues? Hmmm.

[DawgDad]

I trust the players a lot more than I trust management.

I bet that this contract squawk is real, not pretend.
I bet that the dealing represents the shaft applied by Blues management to the player.
I bet that Doug Armstrong was not kidding when he sneakily said that "I have ways of getting around a NTC".
I bet that this maneuver is not "common practice" in the NHL.
I bet that that is player is not alone in his gripe.
I bet that every player and agent in the NHL is now aware of what went down with the Blues.

So when free agents have choices in the future, how many will sign up for a contract with the Blues? Hmmm.

Pius Suter.

[Old_Goat]

...this is a business first, doug has a responsibility to the team not the individual....

Army to the team:
It's business first around here, guys, and I got into the business first. You're last. You get the short leash, the shaft, and the blame.

So just when the "team culture" was up-ticking in the locker room, Army takes a pee on one of the lockers.

Smellyass its a business first is that way for all teams. WHy do you cry like a baby.

Don't kill the messenger. I'm just making sure that BluesTalkers don't lose sight of the fact that this is the players talking. Leddy is gone, and he may not even care that much. But there are a lot of guys in the locker room that are now asking their agents to read all the fine print in their contracts. Just relying on what Army tells you is not the whole story.

You KNOW this HOW?

Sheesh, this is precisely the kind of thing that underlies my view on anonymous sources (see my post above).

I heard from Reggie Dunlop #7 that the owners are looking for a buyer for the team to move to a third city in Florida, because there are so many folks from up North retiring down there whom are hockey fans.

[aslord]

...this is a business first, doug has a responsibility to the team not the individual....

Army to the team:
It's business first around here, guys, and I got into the business first. You're last. You get the short leash, the shaft, and the blame.

So just when the "team culture" was up-ticking in the locker room, Army takes a pee on one of the lockers.

Give it a rest, Smelly. No team has jerked around players more than Vegas and that sure hasn’t kept players from wanting to go play there.

One player stepped forward, but how many are p____d? I feel the need to let BluesTalkers know that the players have spoken. You might want to listen because it may impact "team culture". Maybe the players don't love Army as much as you do? Think about that.

Why do you assume this unnamed player plays for St.Louis? Perhaps it's someone losing a spot in San Jose. Or any of the 30 other teams who simply doesn't like the situation?

[chuckt]

I know Leddy isn't the one complaining, but this seems like a non issue.

There are two things giving players agency over this outcome:

1. Negotiate for a no movement clause.
2. Perform up to the value of your contract

One is obvious. Two means the team wouldn't waive you when they could trade you for value. Players are always free to sign for less to preserve their value and remain desirable.

[2forDiving]

I know Leddy isn't the one complaining, but this seems like a non issue.

There are two things giving players agency over this outcome:

1. Negotiate for a no movement clause.
2. Perform up to the value of your contract

One is obvious. Two means the team wouldn't waive you when they could trade you for value. Players are always free to sign for less to preserve their value and remain desirable.

Exactly! It’s even more of a non issue because Leddy seems fine with it. My guess is he knew there was a very good chance when he signed the deal that he wouldn’t finish it as a Blue.

[aslord]

I know Leddy isn't the one complaining, but this seems like a non issue.

There are two things giving players agency over this outcome:

1. Negotiate for a no movement clause.
2. Perform up to the value of your contract

One is obvious. Two means the team wouldn't waive you when they could trade you for value. Players are always free to sign for less to preserve their value and remain desirable.

How do you know the one complaining isn't Leddy? It was anonymous after all.

[DawgDad]

...this is a business first, doug has a responsibility to the team not the individual....

Army to the team:
It's business first around here, guys, and I got into the business first. You're last. You get the short leash, the shaft, and the blame.

So just when the "team culture" was up-ticking in the locker room, Army takes a pee on one of the lockers.

Smellyass its a business first is that way for all teams. WHy do you cry like a baby.

Don't kill the messenger. I'm just making sure that BluesTalkers don't lose sight of the fact that this is the players talking. Leddy is gone, and he may not even care that much. But there are a lot of guys in the locker room that are now asking their agents to read all the fine print in their contracts. Just relying on what Army tells you is not the whole story.

You KNOW this HOW?

Sheesh, this is precisely the kind of thing that underlies my view on anonymous sources (see my post above).

I heard from Reggie Dunlop #7 that the owners are looking for a buyer for the team to move to a third city in Florida, because there are so many folks from up North retiring down there whom are hockey fans.

Hello, Reggie, this is Ellyetta Freedman. Hey, how's the Coach's wife doing? Heard yours had a broken nose. Say, isn't it a shame how guys like you get run out of town? Yeah? Thought so. Say, gotta run, deadline to meet. CLICK [bait].

[bluetunehead]

I know Leddy isn't the one complaining, but this seems like a non issue.

There are two things giving players agency over this outcome:

1. Negotiate for a no movement clause.
2. Perform up to the value of your contract

One is obvious. Two means the team wouldn't waive you when they could trade you for value. Players are always free to sign for less to preserve their value and remain desirable.

How do you know the one complaining isn't Leddy? It was anonymous after all.

Well Friedman specifically said that Leddy has not complained about it so that might be why.