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rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

To have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..

Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

To have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:25 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

To have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..

I've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.

It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:25 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

To have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..

I've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.

It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!

Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Sweet Jones wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Cards Talk gonna Cards Talk, bro.

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pm

Sweet Jones wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Cards Talk gonna Cards Talk, bro.

True, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:25 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 am

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 am

Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)

-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate

-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.

-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.

And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.

Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.

Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.

JMO

Well yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.

And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.

I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?

Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?

There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.

That's the problem.

Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief ) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.

Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.

I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.

And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.

I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.

But I still bring up Saggese.

Oli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.

Yea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).

But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.

Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.

Admit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?

Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.

To have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..

I've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.

It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!

Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pm

Sweet Jones wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Cards Talk gonna Cards Talk, bro.

True, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:38 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pm

Sweet Jones wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Cards Talk gonna Cards Talk, bro.

True, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,

I didn't hijack anything!

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago

The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.

Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.

I totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pm

Sweet Jones wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pm
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.

Cards Talk gonna Cards Talk, bro.

True, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,