To have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 amAdmit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 amHope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 amYea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 amOli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 amThat's the problem.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 amWell yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate
-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.
-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.
And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.
Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.
Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.
JMO
And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.
I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?
Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?
There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.
Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.
Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.
I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.
And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.
I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.
But I still bring up Saggese.![]()
But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.![]()
Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
You're a sad, bitter person, GoldFan. Sorry for whatever has made you that way.Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pmTo have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 amAdmit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 amHope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 amYea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 amOli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 amThat's the problem.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 amWell yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate
-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.
-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.
And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.
Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.
Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.
JMO
And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.
I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?
Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?
There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.
Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.
Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.
I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.
And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.
I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.
But I still bring up Saggese.![]()
But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.![]()
Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
I've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pmTo have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 amAdmit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 amHope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 amYea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 amOli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 amThat's the problem.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 amWell yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate
-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.
-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.
And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.
Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.
Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.
JMO
And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.
I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?
Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?
There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.
Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.
Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.
I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.
And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.
I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.
But I still bring up Saggese.![]()
But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.![]()
Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.
It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!
Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
Interesting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:25 pmI've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pmTo have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 amAdmit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 amHope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 amYea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 amOli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 amThat's the problem.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 amWell yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate
-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.
-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.
And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.
Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.
Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.
JMO
And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.
I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?
Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?
There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.
Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.
Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.
I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.
And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.
I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.
But I still bring up Saggese.![]()
But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.![]()
Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.
It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
Your front office rear kissing is what's sad.Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pmInteresting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:25 pmI've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pmTo have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 amAdmit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 amHope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 amYea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 amOli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 amThat's the problem.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 amWell yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate
-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.
-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.
And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.
Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.
Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.
JMO
And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.
I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?
Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?
There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.
Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.
Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.
I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.
And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.
I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.
But I still bring up Saggese.![]()
But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.![]()
Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.
It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!

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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
Agreed, pretty much where I am with this.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
Bloom has a reputation for allowing his 'real' prospects to mature in the minors. Until you can figure out if if can move Arenado AND that Gorman can play 3B at this level AND if Gorman is even part of your future, let Saggese actually get everyday reps to prove he can competently handle a middle infield spot defensively (not exactly known for his glove).
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
True, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,
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I didn't hijack anything!Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pmTrue, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,

Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
Well why did you participate in the hijacking?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:29 pmInteresting how an upbeat thread about one of our top prospects (as he's doing extremely well at Memphis right now), has been highjacked by several negative posters who have turned this into a bash BDW and Mo thread. Very sad.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:25 pmI've said for a few years the real problem was BDWJr who was happy to enable Mo as long as he was drawing 3+M.Goldfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 12:17 pmTo have a boss who would let failure after failure after failure not matter and continue to allow the employee to cash 7 figure paychecks…..that’s the secret. Not BEING the incompetent employeee…..rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:55 amAdmit it cranny, you're nothing more than a toady front office footstool for BDWJr & Mo to rest their feet upon, right?Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:51 amHope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 11:03 amYea he actually is bad, mediocre and players in MLB know it (re: player survey, manager they'd least like to play for...Oli).Honky Tonk Man wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:53 amOli is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, he has a terrible roster to work with and he has to keep the idiot Mo pacified with who he starts while also trying to win games. Trying to manage for Mo and the enormous ego of the bow tied one cannot be easy.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:45 amThat's the problem.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:15 amWell yea it would take Oli figuring it out. What in his experience with this kind of thing, makes you believe he can? You were upset (rightfully) about him not starting Gorman and Walker yesterday, so I don’t believe for a second if you add another player to the mix it’s going to get better.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 10:04 am-Saggese can spell Winn one game a week at SS (Winn is a slightly built player and the St. Louis heat can wear him down, one game a week off keeps him fresh)Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
-Saggese can spell NADO one game a week at 3rd base (at his age NADO needs this) and on those days Gorman can play 2nd base w/Donny in LF.........or Gorman can DH w/Hererra behind the plate
-Saggese can play 2nd base one game a week against tough LHSP w/Gorman replacing him if a RHRP is brought in to face Saggese late in games.
-Finally, Saggese can PH against LHRP's for Gorman or Burleson late in games.
And he can also replace Gorman at 2nd bas elate in games for his defense.
Plenty of playing time but it takes Oli figuring it out.
Those PA's in MLB are way, way more valuable than the one's he's getting at Memphis (last 70 PA's: .450 .529 .550 1.079) where he has nothing left to prove.
JMO
And Saggese has a .584 OPS vs LHP this season.
I will also say that when you’ve got like 12 guys that need PT it’s not nearly as easy as we fans like to make it out to believe. Just like yesterday, as much as I want Gorman and Walker in there every game, it’s who do you sit for them?
Burleson who’s got a .900 OPS this month?
Contreras who’s got an .871 OPS since mid April?
Donovan who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Herrera who’s tearing the cover off the ball?
Arenado who’s on a 7 game hitting streak and maybe showing signs of life this month and probably needs to play for his defense and trade value?
Noot who’s already sat the last 2 games?
There will always be reasons to play x, y, and z. And if you add another to the mix, especially a still very young player, then it becomes even more of an issue. I don’t think those couple games a week and/or late game PAs (which may never come that often), are going to be enough of a difference to call him up and/or complain about.
Given his struggles to figure out the simplest of lineup construction moves (Winn at lead-off in 2024, good grief) Oli probably would struggle to figure things out.
Agree on wanting Gorman and Walker in as many games as possible.
I sit Noot that free's an OF slot for Walker, Gorman takes a creative manager to find his playing time.
And in limited PA's vs LHP in MLB, Saggese has a very respectable .280 .308 .440 .748 slash.
I've been saying now all week, C. Bloom has his hands full culling the 2026 roster and putting together one that's functional, something Mo has failed at for years.
But I still bring up Saggese.![]()
But we're in agreement, Mo is an idiot.![]()
Mo's an idiot, guy messed up this franchise and should've been fired years ago.
It took attendance collapsing for Dewitt to finally make the move!
“ Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.”
You could have just ignored it. But you can’t.
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
High jack (Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pmTrue, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,

Is he related to Billy Jack?

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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
There are people here who hate the Cards? That would be uncomfortable.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:38 pmI didn't hijack anything!Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pmTrue, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,![]()
Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
This was my exact logic when Siani was up.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:47 amI totally disagree Rock. We already have a game like yesterday where both Gorman and Walker were on the bench. If you put Saggese on the roster instead of Barrero it becomes an even bigger problem. There simply is no PT for him right now outside of like the very rare off day for Winn. With a JAG like Barrero it’s no problem, for a young kid with upside like Saggese that’s an issue.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 08:42 am Needed to be up here weeks ago
The useless Jose Barrero is J.A.G. and a waste of a roster spot.
Saggese can play multiple positions and any competent manager (ok, let's Oli out) could easily find him three starts a week plus some PHing opportunities.
"Siani stinks! The only thing he's good for is PR and def replacement!"
Me: Uh, yeah. That's the only PT available...
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
“ Hope you were as much of an "idiot" in your job as Mo has been in his job most of his career.”Cranny wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 13:35 pmTrue, and it’s too bad several of our most famous haters have to high jack threads,
-cranny "the hypocrite"
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Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
I hope the team's looking at what Nootbaar could bring in a trade. Then you move Donnie out to LF (where he'll produce what we HOPE Nootbaar will FINALLY produce maybe someday) and give Saggese 2B.
Re: Saggese quietly having a great year at Memphis
Saggese seems like a nice player for the future but I don’t see him being anymore than a good utility player. I think for now he is fine playing every day at Memphis. After Bloom sorts out the roster then maybe he can come up to the big league club.