Wow. What a pathetic effort by Walker, Scott and Winn

[OldRed]

That was one of the worst sequences of the season

Sad, but one of them needs to get the big hit.

[ramfandan]

Another sad thing that does not get mentioned much (and wasn't brought up in the 9th by Chip ) was after Arenado hit the single , he came out for Noot as the pinch runner. When Noot is our best pinch runner option in the final inning of a game , it shows a glaring lack of team speed.
Noot is an average runner (maybe ? slightly above but not what I would call a 'fast ' runner ) . Kinda sad when that is the team's best option on the bench.

Is there a relief pitcher in the pen that could outrun Noot ?

[bccardsfan]

Part of it is coaching and managing. I think Brown has done a fine job, but they are straying from their successful approach. Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K. They are going to have a strong two strike approach. There is a time to slug and a time to hit AND a time to guard the dish. The manager needs to stress this approach. I have been wanting Marmol gone since he blew the playoff series. It never happens. This team needs a much stronger manager. Yes, I know he wasn't swinging the bat, but managers do matter and we don't have a good one. Yes, they had a hot streak, but he is incapable of getting the most out of this limited roster. The Brewers are not that good. Rant over, but many of us are sick of Marmol and have been wanting him gone a long time.

LoL. That's some dumb[ash] [shirt] right there...

LMAO..."Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K."

The players are responsible (bleep)

No it isn't dumb.... shirt. You as usual, are in the minority. It is possible to dissent politely and discuss, but you seem incapable of that. The manager and coaching staff sets a tone. Others have agreed that guessing on two strikes is stupid. Of course the players are responsible for ABs, but the manager and coaching staff set the tone of the team and to a great extent they help determine the personality of the team. When they were on the good streak they did all the little things like moving runners, and NOT striking out much. Marmol should have been totally in their ear when they started losing. Managers can make a difference and set expectations. Marmol is passive.

[scoutyjones2]

Part of it is coaching and managing. I think Brown has done a fine job, but they are straying from their successful approach. Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K. They are going to have a strong two strike approach. There is a time to slug and a time to hit AND a time to guard the dish. The manager needs to stress this approach. I have been wanting Marmol gone since he blew the playoff series. It never happens. This team needs a much stronger manager. Yes, I know he wasn't swinging the bat, but managers do matter and we don't have a good one. Yes, they had a hot streak, but he is incapable of getting the most out of this limited roster. The Brewers are not that good. Rant over, but many of us are sick of Marmol and have been wanting him gone a long time.

LoL. That's some dumb[ash] [shirt] right there...

LMAO..."Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K."

The players are responsible (bleep)

No it isn't dumb.... shirt. You as usual, are in the minority. It is possible to dissent politely and discuss, but you seem incapable of that. The manager and coaching staff sets a tone. Others have agreed that guessing on two strikes is stupid. Of course the players are responsible for ABs, but the manager and coaching staff set the tone of the team and to a great extent they help determine the personality of the team. When they were on the good streak they did all the little things like moving runners, and NOT striking out much. Marmol should have been totally in their ear when they started losing. Managers can make a difference and set expectations. Marmol is passive.

Oh, did I hurt your wittle feelings? Grow a pair.
That's a hugely stupid statement and sentiment. Its not even a positive thought process to give or state to a ball player

It's also stupid because players aren't going up there with the intention of striking out.

And FYI, the hitting approach comes from Brown, not the manager

On air, they've literally talked about his approach he coaches to...there's a time to slug and a time to make contact and shorten up.

[DickyBennett]

Too much guess hitting going on and it shows with Walker and Scott

Winn at bat was pitiful for his skill set

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Give their closer some credit. He put away the bottom of the Cardinals' order with 100+ mph heat and a curve with a violent break.

Exactly what Cards fans would expect Helsley to do.

[bccardsfan]

Part of it is coaching and managing. I think Brown has done a fine job, but they are straying from their successful approach. Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K. They are going to have a strong two strike approach. There is a time to slug and a time to hit AND a time to guard the dish. The manager needs to stress this approach. I have been wanting Marmol gone since he blew the playoff series. It never happens. This team needs a much stronger manager. Yes, I know he wasn't swinging the bat, but managers do matter and we don't have a good one. Yes, they had a hot streak, but he is incapable of getting the most out of this limited roster. The Brewers are not that good. Rant over, but many of us are sick of Marmol and have been wanting him gone a long time.

LoL. That's some dumb[ash] [shirt] right there...

LMAO..."Marmol needs to instill the idea that the team is NOT going to K."

The players are responsible (bleep)

No it isn't dumb.... shirt. You as usual, are in the minority. It is possible to dissent politely and discuss, but you seem incapable of that. The manager and coaching staff sets a tone. Others have agreed that guessing on two strikes is stupid. Of course the players are responsible for ABs, but the manager and coaching staff set the tone of the team and to a great extent they help determine the personality of the team. When they were on the good streak they did all the little things like moving runners, and NOT striking out much. Marmol should have been totally in their ear when they started losing. Managers can make a difference and set expectations. Marmol is passive.

Oh, did I hurt your wittle feelings? Grow a pair.
That's a hugely stupid statement and sentiment. Its not even a positive thought process to give or state to a ball player

It's also stupid because players aren't going up there with the intention of striking out.

And FYI, the hitting approach comes from Brown, not the manager

On air, they've literally talked about his approach he coaches to...there's a time to slug and a time to make contact and shorten up.

I can assure you I have a thick skin. Just that most of us on here have grown very tired of your stale act. I am well aware of Brown's philosophy and alluded to it above. It is still up the manager to lay down the law and set direction for a team.

[scoutyjones2]

Give their closer some credit. He put away the bottom of the Cardinals' order with 100+ mph heat and a curve with a violent break.

Exactly what Cards fans would expect Helsley to do.

Noooo! Can never give the other team credit

[JuanAgosto]

Biggest difference i noticed was effort. Brewers hitters hustled down the line to beat a couple balls out and make a few other plays close. We have too many guys that jog down the line and are content to concede an out.

Winn in particular provided an egregious example.
And it has become far too common with him.

I've noticed. But I guess oli has changed his rule abour effort running the bases? Tyler O'Neill was running a hell of a lot faster than what I saw from Winn today.

Another example of marmol being a useless, lying pud.

[Melville]

Another sad thing that does not get mentioned much (and wasn't brought up in the 9th by Chip ) was after Arenado hit the single , he came out for Noot as the pinch runner. When Noot is our best pinch runner option in the final inning of a game , it shows a glaring lack of team speed.
Noot is an average runner (maybe ? slightly above but not what I would call a 'fast ' runner ) . Kinda sad when that is the team's best option on the bench.

Is there a relief pitcher in the pen that could outrun Noot ?

Would have made far more sense to use Winn as the PH and then PH Pozo for Scott or Barrero.

[imetsatchelpaige]

Shades of '23, '24 rearing their ugly heads.

I believe it’s regression to the mean.

This

[imetsatchelpaige]

Give their closer some credit. He put away the bottom of the Cardinals' order with 100+ mph heat and a curve with a violent break.

Exactly what Cards fans would expect Helsley to do.

Giving the opposing pitching credit is what is usually missing in these threads.

Really good pitchers, throwing really nasty (bleep), are very, very hard to hit. And that guy was very, very good today.

That stated, I have to agree- those were pathetic at-bats, and I agree with many of the statements here about the coaching. But that image of Walker, watching a 94 mile an hour fastball zing right down the middle that he should’ve crushed, will stick with me for a while. You just don’t do that.

[Eyelids64]

Those 3 guys just were not good enough to handle 100 mph heat with a knuckle curve in the mix. Marmot knew they were meat and should have reacted accordingly. Granted, he had nothing on the bench so bunt ball was the play. Those guys were watchers and not players.

[Banner29]

Don't kid yourself, management is OK with every loss. It gives them more reasons to be sellers in July and they are also hoping that Arenado and Gray will agree to trades. I can see Helsley, Matz and Maton all having value at the trade deadline.

It also gives Bloom one less reason to hold onto Oli for next season. Which to be brutally honest, Last thing this team needs is another no man’s land 83 win season that makes management think that Oli can build off of and be better next year. I know that’s a Mo toxic trait and he will be gone but best not take any chances until his stench is completely gone

[hmoss859]

None of them had any confidence, and it showed.

That's a MAJOR problem, gotta put the ball in play.

Massive choke

[3dender]

What are we thinking about Gorman's bunt? He coulda given them the lead with one swing and instead at best is setting up 2 on no out for the weakest part of the lineup.