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I’m saving my money for the playoffs!

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑18 May 2025 09:02 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 07:43 am

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑17 May 2025 23:49 pm Well, look. I'm as happy as anyone about how this season has turned. That said, we're in the middle of May here and the Cardinals are 6 games over .500. A quarter of a season isn't going to erase a decade of (right or wrong) perceived failures all around as an organization.

Then find another team.

Find another forum.

Thank you, I too get very tired of these juvenile comments.

cardinals are not releasing all their tickets.

they are holding lots of tickets, especially box seats unsold, that they always dish to ticket brokers to get rid of. Been happening since start of season.


been buying seats in early season for 30 years, and have never seen the lack of seats, with few fans going. those seats are not sold, and being held by Cardinals.

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

Lots of sand or concrete?

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 23:22 pm

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

My apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much better

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑18 May 2025 06:16 am

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I went to see the St Louis Symphony at Stiffel last night with a lady friend. I didn't feel particularly unsafe, however a couple of things I noticed as someone who once spent a lot of my work day in the downtown area.

1. I did not see a single St Louis Police Officer. WTF? Not one.

2. I did see dozens of homeless on Market St (Kiener Plaza) and tons of trash everywhere.

Our beloved City is filthy these days. And not a very particularly welcoming environment. Other than sporting events and special events like the symphony, there is very little to draw people downtown.

A lack of police presence also invites car break ins(which is a major issue) car thefts, and multiple other low felonies.

I'm not saying I don't go downtown, but as you stated, unless it's for an event, I no longer go down there to have fun or to just hang out downtown, because what is the draw?

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Well said... I always felt a bit of pride when STL fans applauded a good play whether from the Cards or an opposing team.

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 10:30 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑18 May 2025 06:16 am

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I went to see the St Louis Symphony at Stiffel last night with a lady friend. I didn't feel particularly unsafe, however a couple of things I noticed as someone who once spent a lot of my work day in the downtown area.

1. I did not see a single St Louis Police Officer. WTF? Not one.

2. I did see dozens of homeless on Market St (Kiener Plaza) and tons of trash everywhere.

Our beloved City is filthy these days. And not a very particularly welcoming environment. Other than sporting events and special events like the symphony, there is very little to draw people downtown.

A lack of police presence also invites car break ins(which is a major issue) car thefts, and multiple other low felonies.

I'm not saying I don't go downtown, but as you stated, unless it's for an event, I no longer go down there to have fun or to just hang out downtown, because what is the draw?

https://explorestlouis.com/see-and-do/2 ... -st-louis/

Apology from the III and Moe retiring or being removed from POBO.

It will likely take the absence of Mo, the presence of a couple of proven superstars, and a willingness of DeWitt to add more if needed I.e. manager with success in playoffs etc.

Cardly wrote: ↑18 May 2025 12:11 pm It will likely take the absence of Mo, the presence of a couple of proven superstars, and a willingness of DeWitt to add more if needed I.e. manager with success in playoffs etc.

Get over your obsession with Mo.

thetank2 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 12:21 pm

Cardly wrote: ↑18 May 2025 12:11 pm It will likely take the absence of Mo, the presence of a couple of proven superstars, and a willingness of DeWitt to add more if needed I.e. manager with success in playoffs etc.

Get over your obsession with Mo.

You first.

Playing good baseball as they are presently!

For whatever reason they are playing " the Cardinal Way"!

It may be front office has left more to Marmol for on the spot decisions.

The reason for that, the obvious decline in fan interest.

The Players themselves may have noticed (the attendance across the league) and realized it's their livelihood at stake.

St Louis Fan interest and attendance WILL pick up if the Players/Team continue to play like this.

Cardly wrote: ↑18 May 2025 12:11 pm It will likely take the absence of Mo, the presence of a couple of proven superstars, and a willingness of DeWitt to add more if needed I.e. manager with success in playoffs etc.

I think that if the team stays in contention to the point where they can make a “noteworthy” trade. To better our playoff chances. Then you could see people forgiving and forgetting. If not I’d say you’re correct and people will very justifiably continue their boycott. I think most fans are just looking for any evidence that the front office is finished with being complacent and not caring one way or another if they make the playoffs

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 May 2025 09:08 am Simple

1 - Winning (duh)

2 - BDWJr allowing Mo/Bloom to ADD a piece or two at the trading deadline if the Cardinals are in or near 1st place in the NLC

I know there's a segment that wants to just punt 2025 and selloff anyone they can (Helsley, Fedde, NADO, Matz, ect...).

On one hand they have a point.

On the other the return for those players is NOT going to be a teams Top 10 prospect so it's really a c r a p shoot if dealing them ever leads to even one player being a big contributor for the Cardinals down the road.

Selling would guarantee Dewitt 10-12,000 per game for the rest of the season or a disaster!

And who knows what's going to happen, there's no guarantee the Dodgers or Mets or Yankees are winning the WS this season.

If they're where they are now or in 1st place, then ADD a piece or two Dewitt and you'll start seeing those 35-40,000+ size crowds again!

JMO

That segment that wants to punt and sell off even more this year is gonna be sorely disappointed when the youth movement stalls out in 26 and beyond. Look at Baltimore.

Our current record depends heavily on sometimes inconsistent, but meaningful production from:
Fedde
Mikolas
Helsley
Willson
Grey
Nado (walkoff HR and great defense).

Meanwhile Gorman and Walker are big reminders you can’t just project prospect progress linearly upwards.

What if Libby takes a step back or gets hurt next year?
What if Hence, Matthews Roby etc can’t shake the injury bug?

Maybe McGreevey succeeds and replaces Mikolas in the rotation, but he can’t replace three starters.

sometime it will be time to move on from certain vets, but a lot of them we will have to replaced externally and then take our internal development as a bonus to push us over the top instead of planning to not replace them and hope that our development program rolls snake eyes and succeeds phenomenally in every direction at every position.

Furthermore, you can’t just reduce Payroll from 190,000,000 to 40,000,000 and then expect to spend that dry powder later when all of your internal prospects are suddenly regulars and All-Stars at the same time. It doesn’t work that way because there will always be one or two prospects We’re still waiting on and in the meantime, some of your former prospects Will either regress or age out of their cost controlled years and start costing real money - then you trade them for a AA prospect and you’re four years away again from replacing that production, best case. That’s Pittsburgh for you.

Meanwhile, you lose so many games and have so little star power that attendance and revenue continues to drop and you don’t have the funding to bring back the free agents or re-sign your own prospects as they age out. And the big free agents won’t want to come here if we are losing 90 games a year. Dragging out a rebuild too long just becomes a death spiral. It’s time to put a period and a paragraph mark on 2023 and realize the future is now.

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑18 May 2025 10:25 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 23:22 pm

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:59 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑17 May 2025 22:10 pm

dhsux wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:40 pm

Pura Vida wrote: ↑17 May 2025 21:02 pm What will it take for the best fans in baseball to return? 1st place in the Cental by June? 10 games over .500? 15 games?

I would assume the best fans in baseball would still be with their team, thick and thin.

Right?

“Best” means “smartest,” not “most blindly loyal.”

To answer the question, if the team keeps playing well and the old, white, Safe Charles crowd realizes that traveling downtown isn’t an immediate death sentence, the stands will fill.

Ummm people have been shot and killed leaving the Cards games, you know this correct? I don't blame anyone for having trepidation when it comes to going downtown.

Until they make a safety a top priority I don't blame anyone not wanting to go.

I would be very interested to read a story about someone being shot and killed leaving a Cardinals game. And so would you.

Again, parking garage attached to the stadium. I promise you’ll live through the experience and no homeless person will talk to you for more than a second or two.

My apologies, shot and paralyzed, because that is much better

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other ... inals-game

No, it’s tragic. But is a tragic story like that limited to St. Louis? That could happen in any city in America. Are fans in other cities afraid to go downtown because of a five-year-old incident? And again, walking through the Arch grounds. At night. In a group of two. Does that sound like smart situational awareness to anyone? Of course not. Does it excuse or justify a tragic event? Not at all. But we all have a responsibility to minimize risk and be smart when in any city. Walking through a dark park after a game to save a few bucks on parking is not what I would call smart.