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Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:43 am

Shady wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:21 am

JDW wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:11 am Ok, Sagesse up, but only if it's Burly going down. That way Oli can't have him at DH instead of HERRERA!!!

I'm not sure what role Burleson will play for the remainder of the season. But he's not the player to send down. Many CT posters still don't understand that Oli has tremendous respect for Burly. Burleson hasn't hit to his capabilities this season, as yet. But he will get some key hits to help win some games. The Cardinals know that.

No, many CT posters don't care if Oli has tremendous respect for Burly. Again, he's a one-tool player and that one tool isn't very good.

And what exactly are the "capabilities" of a hitter with well over 1,000 MLB at bats who has a career .704 OPS and 94 OPS+? These numbers would indicate his ceiling is average to slightly below average "capabilities".

+1 and when you consider Herrera hits right handers much better than burly the need for a DH platoon is unnecessary and burlys spot should go to someone who can play the field

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:50 pm

CardsBest wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:37 pm Herrera has 5 HRs in 31 ABs on pace for 100 Hrs over his next 620 ABs spaning this year and next.

Why Arenado at cleanup instead of Herrera? Somebody please try to explain.

They are attempting to get 8 guys on in front of Ivan.

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Cusecards wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:38 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑13 May 2025 07:43 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑13 May 2025 07:22 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:52 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:38 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:30 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:27 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:23 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

Bring him up for Walker or Gorman, Take your choice. Saggese is a much better hitter than either of those two, right now. Oli could get Saggese plenty of at bats.

They need to find out for sure about Walker and Gorman.
Saggese is a prospect to watch but for the love of God enough with your overblown infatuation.
Saggese is fine where he is.....it’s effing May 12th!!!!!

"Saggese is a prospect to watch but for the love of God enough with your overblown infatuation". Check Walker's, Gorman's and Saggese's batting averages for the Cardinals this season. Doesn't that give you a hint, smarty?

You have zero clue what you are talking about per usual.
Your entire “act” is to promote prospects that you have zero knowledge of.
You must have a dartboard at home with names on it?

Get off your high horse. You aren't quite the baseball wizard you think you are. Your posts on this thread are prime examples. I can get just as nasty as you, if need be, hotshot.

Wait...I thought I was the hotshot and Cuse was the gangbanger? So confusing....

I was also the hot shot. i guess i'm not special

Wait...that's it...I was a nitwit, you were a hotshot, and Cuse was the gangbanger.

Hey I like Hot Shot also!!!
Not feeling it with Gangbanger.
Definitely not Nitwit.
Maybe we can trade off names periodically?

Nope, I'm Hotshot. get your own insult

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Very good analysis of how Saggese could be utilized. Both Gorman and Walker could use more time trying to improve their hitting at somewhere other than for a MLB team in the divisional race. And Herrera at cleanup for this team is inevitable. Or Contreras at 4 and Herrera at 5.

Shady wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:36 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Very good analysis of how Saggese could be utilized. Both Gorman and Walker could use more time trying to improve their hitting at somewhere other than for a MLB team in the divisional race. And Herrera at cleanup for this team is inevitable. Or Contreras at 4 and Herrera at 5.

Thx

Agree on Hererra belonging at either cleanup or 5th, NADO at 6th.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 12:02 pm

Shady wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:36 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Very good analysis of how Saggese could be utilized. Both Gorman and Walker could use more time trying to improve their hitting at somewhere other than for a MLB team in the divisional race. And Herrera at cleanup for this team is inevitable. Or Contreras at 4 and Herrera at 5.

Thx

Agree on Hererra belonging at either cleanup or 5th, NADO at 6th.

The way things are shaping up, it would make sense for Saggese to be as much a part of the "reset" as Gorman and Walker.

Shady wrote: ↑13 May 2025 12:30 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 12:02 pm

Shady wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:36 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Very good analysis of how Saggese could be utilized. Both Gorman and Walker could use more time trying to improve their hitting at somewhere other than for a MLB team in the divisional race. And Herrera at cleanup for this team is inevitable. Or Contreras at 4 and Herrera at 5.

Thx

Agree on Hererra belonging at either cleanup or 5th, NADO at 6th.

The way things are shaping up, it would make sense for Saggese to be as much a part of the "reset" as Gorman and Walker.

Can't argue w/the way Gorman and Walker are (not) performing.

But they were #1 picks and each had a solid 2023 season, these will buy them more time.

I'd send Gorman down after Memorial Day if he's still struggling given he has no position now w/Hererra the better DH option and Donovan handling 2nd base as long as they want to give Walker AB's (and they do).

Then bring up Saggese and play him as suggested above.

At his age NADO needs a full game off a week and Winn's back could also use a game a week to rest.

If Walker's still struggling, then Donny goes to LF and Saggese could get a lot of playing time at 2nd base as long as he hits.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Could happen

Adam2 wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:25 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑13 May 2025 09:38 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑13 May 2025 07:43 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑13 May 2025 07:22 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:52 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:38 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:35 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:30 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:27 pm

Shady wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:23 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

Bring him up for Walker or Gorman, Take your choice. Saggese is a much better hitter than either of those two, right now. Oli could get Saggese plenty of at bats.

They need to find out for sure about Walker and Gorman.
Saggese is a prospect to watch but for the love of God enough with your overblown infatuation.
Saggese is fine where he is.....it’s effing May 12th!!!!!

"Saggese is a prospect to watch but for the love of God enough with your overblown infatuation". Check Walker's, Gorman's and Saggese's batting averages for the Cardinals this season. Doesn't that give you a hint, smarty?

You have zero clue what you are talking about per usual.
Your entire “act” is to promote prospects that you have zero knowledge of.
You must have a dartboard at home with names on it?

Get off your high horse. You aren't quite the baseball wizard you think you are. Your posts on this thread are prime examples. I can get just as nasty as you, if need be, hotshot.

Wait...I thought I was the hotshot and Cuse was the gangbanger? So confusing....

I was also the hot shot. i guess i'm not special

Wait...that's it...I was a nitwit, you were a hotshot, and Cuse was the gangbanger.

Hey I like Hot Shot also!!!
Not feeling it with Gangbanger.
Definitely not Nitwit.
Maybe we can trade off names periodically?

Nope, I'm Hotshot. get your own insult

Based on CT Seniority I probably get last pick?

Cusecards wrote: ↑13 May 2025 12:38 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Could happen

And if Walker keeps struggling, then you move Donny to LF (Noot to RF) and Saggese gets 2nd base as long as he hits!

It all depends on how Gorman does.

If he's still flailing come Memorial Day, then you have to send him down and bring up Saggese.

JMO

Shady wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:36 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 May 2025 11:19 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑12 May 2025 19:20 pm Uh.....no!
Leave Saggese where he is getting AB’s!

He could easily spell:

-NADO once a week at 3rd
-Winn once a week at SS
-2 or 3 games a week at 2nd (if you play Donovan in LF and sit Walker twice a week)
-And pinch hit

That could give him 20 AB's a week that are worth way more to his growth than getting 24 at Memphis.

I'd bring him up after Memorial Day, sending Gorman down if he's still struggling.

JMO

Very good analysis of how Saggese could be utilized. Both Gorman and Walker could use more time trying to improve their hitting at somewhere other than for a MLB team in the divisional race. And Herrera at cleanup for this team is inevitable. Or Contreras at 4 and Herrera at 5.

There is some dynamic here with Saggese, Donovan, and Barrero as long as
One of Gorman and Walker are given rope. Definitely with both getting it.

Saggese moves Donovan to the 3rd OFer IMO, while Barrero is more neutral, a bench guy. Donovan moves back and forth
and essentially spells either Walker or Gorman. One usually is being benched.
Until the FO chooses a horse. Saggese is likely to stay in Memphis. Which isn't terrible, just not ideal.
No reason currently to give BD a day off for either of these players.
The Cardinals record and if struggles continue to Memorial Day will influence this.