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Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 09 May 2025 23:17 pm
by Stlcardsblues
ramfandan wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:10 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 22:52 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:51 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:33 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:17 pm
lol, it’s 109 pitches, don’t worry his arm won’t fall off.
Fully agree.
My son threw 92 pitches last week in a game, his arm didn’t fall off. I am sure Fedde will be fine. Analytics are killing this game.
How old is your son?
16
Hope you are keeping informed about teen baseball players injuries .
Dr. James Andrews , renowned orthopedic surgeon , has seen an alarming number of 13, 14, 15, & 16 year olds in the past decade getting Tommy John surgeries . Overuse and also pitching year round without any off time recovery .
Might want to read this article and then pursue more info . It's a serious issue .
Best of luck !
https://www.playinfo.org/news_article/show/298828
Dr. James Andrews has performed a significant number of Tommy John surgeries on teen baseball players. He has seen a dramatic increase in these surgeries on young athletes, with the percentage rising from 12% to 33% of his total UCL patients since 1998. While precise numbers are not available, he has mentioned performing around 3-4 Tommy John surgeries per week on high school athletes, according to ESPN. In the past, he used to perform 8-9 per year in the high school and younger age group.
Not concerned with his arm, he is underused. He was a catcher most of his life so doesn’t have the wear and tear kids his age do. Only started pitching at 13. He was always undersized so coaches wouldn’t give him a chance. More concerned about his knee which he dislocated three years ago at school, then dislocated again last fall pitching.
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 09 May 2025 23:20 pm
by ramfandan
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:07 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:05 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 22:52 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:51 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:33 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:17 pm
lol, it’s 109 pitches, don’t worry his arm won’t fall off.
Fully agree.
My son threw 92 pitches last week in a game, his arm didn’t fall off. I am sure Fedde will be fine. Analytics are killing this game.
How old is your son?
16
Thanks. If he was 12 or 13 I would say it was too many.
There are league limits on how many they can throw. His age is 95 (can’t start a batter after 95). I believe 12 year olds is 75 off memory.
Frequency of pitching is a big key AND not having a 2 to 3 month OFF TIME each year is another factor, according the famed sports surgeon. His studies show teens who are continuing to throw pitches year round are at greatest risk for elbow issues.
(Sure you are familiar with Dr. James Andrews .. Has done upteen surgeries on top sports athletes .
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 09 May 2025 23:29 pm
by Stlcardsblues
desertrat23 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:15 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:07 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:05 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 22:52 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:51 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:33 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:17 pm
lol, it’s 109 pitches, don’t worry his arm won’t fall off.
Fully agree.
My son threw 92 pitches last week in a game, his arm didn’t fall off. I am sure Fedde will be fine. Analytics are killing this game.
How old is your son?
16
Thanks. If he was 12 or 13 I would say it was too many.
There are league limits on how many they can throw. His age is 95 (can’t start a batter after 95). I believe 12 year olds is 75 off memory.
My son plays 8U and it’s a 50-pitch limit. But them pitching at that age at all is kind of stupid.
My son wasn’t, I would be concerned on an 8U kid throwing that much. He never pitched in minors and only once or twice in majors.
My son never had a coach give him a real chance so he would only pitch three or four times a year (spring, summer and fall combined), some games being an inning or two. High School coach only wanted to use him as the starting shortstop, but was short on pitchers one game. Asked him if he ever pitched which my son said yes. He started that game and pitched great so he will probably get one more chance this spring.
In 16 years he has pitched less than 15 times, but he going through a massive growth spurt and also lifting so people are starting to notice. My cousins son pitched professionally in the Giants system. Had to retire in his early 20’s for an injury (not Tommy John).
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 09 May 2025 23:51 pm
by Ronnie Dobbs
Because it was cool.
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 00:23 am
by JuanAgosto
It was beautiful to watch. Thought I'd gone back 20 years!
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 00:27 am
by scoutyjones2
Are you stupid or being obtuse? Or both?
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 00:28 am
by scoutyjones2
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:33 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:17 pm
lol, it’s 109 pitches, don’t worry his arm won’t fall off.
Fully agree.
My son threw 92 pitches last week in a game, his arm didn’t fall off. I am sure Fedde will be fine. Analytics are killing this game.
Well [shirt], that seals it. Your anecdote won me over!
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead
Posted: 10 May 2025 01:12 am
by Ozziesfan41
It’s the velocity combined with increased spin rates that keep them from wanting to have them throw 100+ pitches. Look at the dodgers wonderful pitching lab it increases spin rates but shreds arms. Sure little leaguers can throw a lot of pitches but they aren’t throwing 90+ MPH with crazy spin rates. But 109 probably isn’t that bad for fedde who isn’t a big power arm With spin rates
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 02:22 am
by vegascardsfan5890
Lol 10-0 win but gotta find something to complain about!
Surprises there's not a post about scoring 10 runs but 0 home runs so they shouldn't matter!
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:03 am
by Goldfan
When did it become a “thing” to worry or complain about a vet ML pitcher throwing 100 pitches?? Who came up with the 100 #? Are all pitchers the same??
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:14 am
by An Old Friend
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 08:03 am
When did it become a “thing” to worry or complain about a vet ML pitcher throwing 100 pitches?? Who came up with the 100 #? Are all pitchers the same??
The arbitrary 100 pitch limit is one of the dumbest measures that baseball has allowed to govern and dictate their behaviors.
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:18 am
by Cranny
It used to be that kids enjoyed playing a different sport each session. Now they’re being channeled into one sport early and elite (traveling) team coaches are telling them that to keep up, they’ll have to play that sport year round. The parents are for it because they want the kid to get a college scholarship some day as the cost of college has gone out of sight.
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:20 am
by rockondlouie
No problem whatsoever
Oli managed it exactly right, giving his pen's another full day of rest while allowing Fedde to get his shutout.
Feede's like gone mid season, why not throw him as long as you can.
Not an Oli fan, he managed this one correctly.
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:24 am
by Jatalk
This question shows how baseball has been vagina-zide.
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:29 am
by Goldfan
An Old Friend wrote: ↑10 May 2025 08:14 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 08:03 am
When did it become a “thing” to worry or complain about a vet ML pitcher throwing 100 pitches?? Who came up with the 100 #? Are all pitchers the same??
The arbitrary 100 pitch limit is one of the dumbest measures that baseball has allowed to govern and dictate their behaviors.
SP are in the 95 percentile or better in terms of size for all males. And are considerably larger than 50 years ago. Have the most advanced nutrition and training known to man…..but for some reason cant throw close to the numbers of pitches as past generations??
Re: Why would you have a pitcher throw 109 pitches with a 10 run lead?
Posted: 10 May 2025 08:32 am
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 08:29 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑10 May 2025 08:14 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 08:03 am
When did it become a “thing” to worry or complain about a vet ML pitcher throwing 100 pitches?? Who came up with the 100 #? Are all pitchers the same??
The arbitrary 100 pitch limit is one of the dumbest measures that baseball has allowed to govern and dictate their behaviors.
SP are in the 95 percentile or better in terms of size for all males. And are considerably larger than 50 years ago. Have the most advanced nutrition and training known to man…..but for some reason cant throw close to the numbers of pitches as past generations??
Expectations have changed.