cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
That was my point. Thank you. The Blues knew it was broken and fixed it. The Cards know it is broken and know Mo needs to go but drag it out and basically do nothing.
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
That was my point. Thank you. The Blues knew it was broken and fixed it. The Cards know it is broken and know Mo needs to go but drag it out and basically do nothing.
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
Loser organization. Glad you think they are something. Wake me when they win a second cup
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
That was my point. Thank you. The Blues knew it was broken and fixed it. The Cards know it is broken and know Mo needs to go but drag it out and basically do nothing.
.
How would you have fixed it?
As I explained in my OP. Bring in proven winner like Monty. Bloom has a positive record but I called for a Herzog or LaRussa as a return to what worked in the past. Three unproven ML managers in a row is a huge departure. Bring in a winner. I suggested Schumacher but I’m sure there are others. And do it now not later when more erosion has occurred
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
That was my point. Thank you. The Blues knew it was broken and fixed it. The Cards know it is broken and know Mo needs to go but drag it out and basically do nothing.
.
How would you have fixed it?
As I explained in my OP. Bring in proven winner like Monty. Bloom has a positive record but I called for a Herzog or LaRussa as a return to what worked in the past. Three unproven ML managers in a row is a huge departure. Bring in a winner. I suggested Schumacher but I’m sure there are others. And do it now not later when more erosion has occurred
So an experienced ML manager would guarantee a World Championship?
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
Loser organization. Glad you think they are something. Wake me when they win a second cup
Aren’t you the Pens’ fan? If so, what an awfully ironic response from a guy whose team was going belly up without the NHL intervening to prop up Mario’s investment
cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025 22:01 pm
1 years ago: Cards (83-79) missed playoffs; Blues (43-39) missed playoffs
2 years ago: Cards (71-91) missed playoffs; Blues (37-45) missed playoffs
3 years ago: Cards (93-69) lost in 1st round; Blues (49-33) lost in 2nd round
4 years ago: Cards (90-72) lost in 1st round; Blues (27-29) lost in 1st round
5 years ago: Cards (30-28) lost in 1st round; Blues (42-29) lost in 1st round
You have to admit, there is a pretty dramatic difference.
If the Cards don’t make the playoffs, it’s the fault of the front office. If the Cardinals, after a successful season, don’t do well in the playoffs, it’s the players’ fault.
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
Loser organization. Glad you think they are something. Wake me when they win a second cup
Aren’t you the Pens’ fan? If so, what an awfully ironic response from a guy whose team was going belly up without the NHL intervening to prop up Mario’s investment
If you don’t do well in the playoffs it’s not a successful season.
The Blues are playing the Presidents Cup winner. Best team in the NHL. Last night was the only game the Blues were not competitive. Hopefully they will bounce back again.
And they are playing the Presidents Cup winner in the 1st round because they grabbed the 8th and final spot for the playoffs in the Western Conference. Note that they would not have even made the playoffs if the NHL playoff format were structured like MLB. Also note that if the NHL playoffs were structured like the MLB playoffs, the Blues would have been swept out of the playoffs in 2 games, much like the Cards in 2023.
It's funny to me how people think the Blues are so incredibly successful, while the Cardinals are thought to be awful.
Yes, the Blues won the Stanley Cup in 2019, but outside of that, yikes.
We're probably older than you. I started following the Cards in the late fifties. I remember 1964, 1967,1968, 1982, 1985,1987, 2006,2011 and a couple of losses. We're spoiled. I remember Musial, Boyer, White, Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Pujols, Carlton, Reuss, Forsch and on and on and on. Then I look at today and recent years and I'm sorry but I'm spoiled and I expect more.
Yes, I expect more from the Cards too. A lot more.
My point is, let's not point to the Blues as the shining example of what we want the Cards to be.
The Blues as a franchise are the definition of mediocre, if even that. Somehow, fans have been tricked into thinking they are great team with an incredible GM.
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
LoL. They aren't winning on the road either
One Stanley cup due to a hot goalie in their 50+ years, but yeah, the Cards should be like the Blues
Who gives a flying f about the last 50 years? Times change man; sports change and how you run organizations change. Moving forward right now in 2025, the Blues are a really good team with a great future, and fans are really excited about them. The city is buzzing Blues.
The Cardinals are going the opposite direction.
That was my point. Thank you. The Blues knew it was broken and fixed it. The Cards know it is broken and know Mo needs to go but drag it out and basically do nothing.
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How would you have fixed it?
As I explained in my OP. Bring in proven winner like Monty. Bloom has a positive record but I called for a Herzog or LaRussa as a return to what worked in the past. Three unproven ML managers in a row is a huge departure. Bring in a winner. I suggested Schumacher but I’m sure there are others. And do it now not later when more erosion has occurred
So an experienced ML manager would guarantee a World Championship?
It would show the fans and players that the problems are being addressed and give some hope. Ultimately as some have stated, ownership may be the issue but I’m hoping current ownership goes back to what they did when they rescued us from an indifferent owner: Augie’s brat kid.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
We will see and I hope you're right. A little research shows me the Blues are about middle of the road in terms of in house prospect rankings in the NHL. I'll remain skeptical at this time about how beautifully the Blues are set up for a decade of cup runs.
The Blues averaged 17.5k fans over 41 home games this season, ranking 19th in the NHL.
Cards right now are averaging 28.5k, ranking 13th in MLB.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
We will see and I hope you're right. A little research shows me the Blues are about middle of the road in terms of in house prospect rankings in the NHL. I'll remain skeptical at this time about how beautifully the Blues are set up for a decade of cup runs.
The Blues averaged 17.5k fans over 41 home games this season, ranking 19th in the NHL.
Cards right now are averaging 28.5k, ranking 13th in MLB.
A lot of their “farm” is producing on the NHL team as we speak. The Blues are in phenomenal shape moving forward with their young talent and a (bleep) ton of money off the books by 26-27. Expectations were low for the Blues, but the hiring of Monty and the Edmonton acquisitions have transformed the franchise and got the fans back the last few months.
Busch averaging 28.5? Sales maybe, but there’s not more than 15K in those seats on average this year.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
We will see and I hope you're right. A little research shows me the Blues are about middle of the road in terms of in house prospect rankings in the NHL. I'll remain skeptical at this time about how beautifully the Blues are set up for a decade of cup runs.
The Blues averaged 17.5k fans over 41 home games this season, ranking 19th in the NHL.
Cards right now are averaging 28.5k, ranking 13th in MLB.
A lot of their “farm” is producing on the NHL team as we speak. The Blues are in phenomenal shape moving forward with their young talent and a (bleep) ton of money off the books by 26-27. Expectations were low for the Blues, but the hiring of Monty and the Edmonton acquisitions have transformed the franchise and got the fans back the last few months.
Busch averaging 28.5? Sales maybe, but there’s not more than 15K in those seats on average this year.
Just giving you attendance figures for both teams respective to their leagues.
