How good is Victor Scott

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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 11:02 am
Monsieur De Treville wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:35 am
Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 09:00 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:58 am
Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:56 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:38 am Good morning.

How good will he be. He is really figured out hitting, added to his stellar defense and base stealing, we have a shot at a good to great center fielder.

His stat line last two games is elite ish. Shots down the line, to opposite field doubles.

I see him leading league in doubles and triples one year. Has that ever happened.

Has Scott emerged.
In spring training, I alluded to the fact that Scott deserved as much leeway as Walker and Gorman.
I see him emerging as a team leader. We needed that especially from the youth side of the clubhouse.

Gang- this is exactly what the reset was intended to do- let young play, see who can. So far several bright spots.
Do you see a possible Scott/Brock comp?
Stop it.

He's not Lou Brock.
Yepez is not Pujols.
Burly is not Votto or Gwynn.
You need to chill a little. Let some others have some fun with hopeful comps without your ridicule. So what if somebody is wrong about a baseball projection? This ain't cancer, nuclear war, etc.
You need to offer advice only when it's asked for.
You deserve as much ridicule as this board can dish out!
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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craviduce wrote: 23 Apr 2025 11:13 am
Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 11:02 am
Monsieur De Treville wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:35 am
Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 09:00 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:58 am
Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:56 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:38 am Good morning.

How good will he be. He is really figured out hitting, added to his stellar defense and base stealing, we have a shot at a good to great center fielder.

His stat line last two games is elite ish. Shots down the line, to opposite field doubles.

I see him leading league in doubles and triples one year. Has that ever happened.

Has Scott emerged.
In spring training, I alluded to the fact that Scott deserved as much leeway as Walker and Gorman.
I see him emerging as a team leader. We needed that especially from the youth side of the clubhouse.

Gang- this is exactly what the reset was intended to do- let young play, see who can. So far several bright spots.
Do you see a possible Scott/Brock comp?
Stop it.

He's not Lou Brock.
Yepez is not Pujols.
Burly is not Votto or Gwynn.
You need to chill a little. Let some others have some fun with hopeful comps without your ridicule. So what if somebody is wrong about a baseball projection? This ain't cancer, nuclear war, etc.
if you make a claim on the internet, you're open to rebuke. Grow a pair, Marshall.

and learn some baseball...or start following the game.

Post how you want to post, but don't tell anyone how, when, or why when it concerns responding to you.
Exactly!

I would imagine if I compared Libby to Steve Carlton at this time, I would open myself up to criticism. Comes with the territory!
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Shady wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:56 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:38 am Good morning.

How good will he be. He is really figured out hitting, added to his stellar defense and base stealing, we have a shot at a good to great center fielder.

His stat line last two games is elite ish. Shots down the line, to opposite field doubles.

I see him leading league in doubles and triples one year. Has that ever happened.

Has Scott emerged.
In spring training, I alluded to the fact that Scott deserved as much leeway as Walker and Gorman. Later, I posted a possible Scott/Brock comp and got roasted. LOL
My fav of yours was the Yepez/Pujols comp followed by your Burly/Votto-Gwynn comp.

This one is almost as idiotic!
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Strummer Jones wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:58 am I'd like Victor Scott to put up a season like Matt Carpenter's 2013 season. Lots of doubles, 10-15 homers. And, not that it's saying much, but more base larceny. With his speed, I think it's something that can be done.
Marp led the league in doubles, hits, and runs in 2013. He hit 55 doubles!!

If VSII ever approaches that(which I don't believe he ever will), then he'd be a sure fire MVP candidate. His defense plus his speed w/ a Marp like 2013 offensively would be a season off the charts.

Now, I do think he has 10-12 HR power and can hit 30 2Bs. If he does this with his speed he could steal 50+ bags which is essentially more doubles.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:38 am Good morning.

How good will he be. He is really figured out hitting, added to his stellar defense and base stealing, we have a shot at a good to great center fielder.

His stat line last two games is elite ish. Shots down the line, to opposite field doubles.

I see him leading league in doubles and triples one year. Has that ever happened.

Has Scott emerged.
Big Fan of VSII - Noticing the league is beginning to throw alot of breaking balls in to keep him on the ground to the pull side. If he can learn to handle the off speed pitches in, he should continue to improve. League finding it tough to sneak a fastball by him after setting him up with offspeed early. Very impressed with his ability to work the ball to the left side.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Basil Shabazz wrote: 24 Apr 2025 08:07 am
Strummer Jones wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:58 am I'd like Victor Scott to put up a season like Matt Carpenter's 2013 season. Lots of doubles, 10-15 homers. And, not that it's saying much, but more base larceny. With his speed, I think it's something that can be done.
Marp led the league in doubles, hits, and runs in 2013. He hit 55 doubles!!

If VSII ever approaches that(which I don't believe he ever will), then he'd be a sure fire MVP candidate. His defense plus his speed w/ a Marp like 2013 offensively would be a season off the charts.

Now, I do think he has 10-12 HR power and can hit 30 2Bs. If he does this with his speed he could steal 50+ bags which is essentially more doubles.
Ok he achieves your last paragraph. He would then be deemed a star?
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 24 Apr 2025 11:00 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 24 Apr 2025 08:07 am
Strummer Jones wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:58 am I'd like Victor Scott to put up a season like Matt Carpenter's 2013 season. Lots of doubles, 10-15 homers. And, not that it's saying much, but more base larceny. With his speed, I think it's something that can be done.
Marp led the league in doubles, hits, and runs in 2013. He hit 55 doubles!!

If VSII ever approaches that(which I don't believe he ever will), then he'd be a sure fire MVP candidate. His defense plus his speed w/ a Marp like 2013 offensively would be a season off the charts.

Now, I do think he has 10-12 HR power and can hit 30 2Bs. If he does this with his speed he could steal 50+ bags which is essentially more doubles.
Ok he achieves your last paragraph. He would then be deemed a star?
100% in my book.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:55 am Scott- .290. 5 doubles- projects to 35 ish. 1 triple projects to 7 ish.

10 runs scored and 13 rbis from the nine hole. 8/8 stolen bases.

Once you figure things out you always know them. Only thing left is execution. Scott may be a stud.
He looks like a leadoff man stuck at the bottom of a lineup because of a lack of trust
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LCA1951 wrote: 24 Apr 2025 11:55 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:55 am Scott- .290. 5 doubles- projects to 35 ish. 1 triple projects to 7 ish.

10 runs scored and 13 rbis from the nine hole. 8/8 stolen bases.

Once you figure things out you always know them. Only thing left is execution. Scott may be a stud.
He looks like a leadoff man stuck at the bottom of a lineup because of a lack of trust
You are correct. The lack of trust was exhibited early on as well when he was moved off CF for a defensive replacement in every game we were winning.

If this is truly a year to build up the youth and see what they can do, then VSII should be at leadoff. That allows Noot the chance to drive in more runs in an RBI spot.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Basil Shabazz wrote: 24 Apr 2025 11:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 24 Apr 2025 11:00 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 24 Apr 2025 08:07 am
Strummer Jones wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:58 am I'd like Victor Scott to put up a season like Matt Carpenter's 2013 season. Lots of doubles, 10-15 homers. And, not that it's saying much, but more base larceny. With his speed, I think it's something that can be done.
Marp led the league in doubles, hits, and runs in 2013. He hit 55 doubles!!

If VSII ever approaches that(which I don't believe he ever will), then he'd be a sure fire MVP candidate. His defense plus his speed w/ a Marp like 2013 offensively would be a season off the charts.

Now, I do think he has 10-12 HR power and can hit 30 2Bs. If he does this with his speed he could steal 50+ bags which is essentially more doubles.
Ok he achieves your last paragraph. He would then be deemed a star?
100% in my book.
I think he can get the doubles and stolen base. Ten home runs max.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Basil Shabazz wrote: 24 Apr 2025 12:05 pm
LCA1951 wrote: 24 Apr 2025 11:55 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:55 am Scott- .290. 5 doubles- projects to 35 ish. 1 triple projects to 7 ish.

10 runs scored and 13 rbis from the nine hole. 8/8 stolen bases.

Once you figure things out you always know them. Only thing left is execution. Scott may be a stud.
He looks like a leadoff man stuck at the bottom of a lineup because of a lack of trust
You are correct. The lack of trust was exhibited early on as well when he was moved off CF for a defensive replacement in every game we were winning.

If this is truly a year to build up the youth and see what they can do, then VSII should be at leadoff. That allows Noot the chance to drive in more runs in an RBI spot.
I agree and have been saying this from the beginning of the season. Who thought they were headed to the WS? Reminded me of the Matt Carpenter, 4-runs a game max seasons with little excitement. Nootbaar should be driving in runs which he can do if used correctly. No doubt that Scott has different tools but he had to wait until Siani failed like last year with Winn having to wait on Brandon Crawford to fail. Lack of trust
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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Monsieur De Treville wrote: 23 Apr 2025 10:33 am
rockondlouie wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:47 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 23 Apr 2025 08:38 am Good morning.

How good will he be. He is really figured out hitting, added to his stellar defense and base stealing, we have a shot at a good to great center fielder.

His stat line last two games is elite ish. Shots down the line, to opposite field doubles.

I see him leading league in doubles and triples one year. Has that ever happened.

Has Scott emerged.
T. Cobb did it three times, H. Wagner two times and most likely others can be added to the list
Musial did it 4 times!
Jarren Duran did it last year.

Surprisingly, it looks like that may complete the list.

Sam Crawford led the league in triples an astonishing SIX times, but only led the league in doubles once… in a year he did not lead the league in triples.

My next guess was Speaker… led the league in doubles EIGHT times, but despite his 222 career triples, never led the league.


Edit - Add Honus Wagner, 2x
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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I don't see VSII being a comp to L. Brock, and c'mon whoever said R. Henderson. 8O

Brock is/was a way better hitter (3,000+ hits) and base stealer, Henderson is the G.O.A.T. among speedsters w/both power & speed.

We don't know Scott's ceiling yet but (IMO) it won't come close to those two.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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I mentioned this the last thread this guy wanted to comp Scott to Brock.

Brock had 3000 hits and 900 steals. The only other guy to that was Henderson and he was even better.

If Scott (or anyone else) achieves 2000 hits and 400 steals, it's a really good career.

You want to comp a guy? That's cute. But at least pretend to know what you're talking about and make a reasonable comp. Comp'ing a guy with weeks of MLB experience to one of the two greatest hit\steals careers of all time is a bit ridiculous, bordering on asinine.
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Re: How good is Victor Scott

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rockondlouie wrote: 24 Apr 2025 13:20 pm I don't see VSII being a comp to L. Brock, and c'mon whoever said R. Henderson. 8O

Brock is/was a way better hitter (3,000+ hits) and base stealer, Henderson is the G.O.A.T. among speedsters w/both power & speed.

We don't know Scott's ceiling yet but (IMO) it won't come close to those two.
I said Ricky. Reference bigger stronger type body. If he gets on base 150 times per year, that’s could equate to 100 SB if they really ran.

Would take a commitment to the steal. What better time to do it.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 24 Apr 2025 13:31 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 24 Apr 2025 13:20 pm I don't see VSII being a comp to L. Brock, and c'mon whoever said R. Henderson. 8O

Brock is/was a way better hitter (3,000+ hits) and base stealer, Henderson is the G.O.A.T. among speedsters w/both power & speed.

We don't know Scott's ceiling yet but (IMO) it won't come close to those two.
I said Ricky. Reference bigger stronger type body. If he gets on base 150 times per year, that’s could equate to 100 SB if they really ran.

Would take a commitment to the steal. What better time to do it.
Ricky, as he was happy to tells us, was the G.O.A.T. and (IMO) VSII isn't close to Rickey level, or Brocks.
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