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Absolut wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:55 am

craviduce wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 09:28 am TWINS (0-2)

Lineup

1. Matt Wallner (L) ~ RF
2. Carlos Correa (R) ~ SS
3. Byron Buxton (R) ~ CF
4. Trevor Larnach (L) ~ DH
5. Ryan Jeffers (R) ~ C
6. Ty France (R) ~ 1B
7. Will Castro (S) ~ 2B
8. Jose Miranda (R) ~ 3B
9. Harrison Bader (R) ~ LF

RHP Bailey Ober (0-0, -.-- ERA)

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CARDINALS (2-0)

Lineup

1. Lars Nootbaar (L) ~ RF
2. Willson Contreras (R) ~ DH
3. Brendan Donovan (L) ~ LF
4. Nolan Arenado (R) ~ 3B
5. Alec Burleson (L) ~ 1B
6. Nolan Gorman (L) ~ 2B
7. Pedro Pages (R) ~ C
8. Victor Scott II (L) ~ CF
9. Masyn Winn (R) ~ SS

RHP Andre Pallante (0-0, -.-- ERA)

Graphics budget cut?

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Cusecards wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:46 am Not a fan of Oli but I’ll cede to him here.
Only game #3:
Pages is going to catch 1 of every 3 or 4 games regardless. I understand Herrera is swinging it well but catcher being the physically demanding position it is good to keep him fresh. Plus you have LH pitchers coming up so he could easily DH a game.
Gorman needs to play his share. RH SP ok to sit Walker for a game.
Of the 4 reserves who haven’t started first two:
Pages- needs to start every 3rd or 4th game.
Gorman- needs to play also.
The other two supply either late game defense(Siani) or a RH PH bat(Baker).

TLR was a master of incorporating his bench.
Oli has a long ways to go but it‘s a start.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:24 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Id disagree strongly on oli being mr nice guy. He is very pretentious and condescending to the media and constantly throws players under the bus like oneil, gorman and arenado(saying doesnt matter how he arramges lineup and that our offensive struggles last year was cuz those 2 werent hitting the way they should in response to question about his lineup), and of course contreras.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:26 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

Sp very important to win this game against a reeling team. Plus with Angels, have a chance for a great start.

Guys on the team need to be told their roles. Playing once every three games is a guarantee not a role.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:27 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

Agree on rest.
Definitely dont agree on oli being mr. Nice guy. He seems tony larussa seem like the friendliest guy in the room and has no pr skills. Mo looks like a masterclass answering question compared to him. He sounds less dumb than bill dewitt the 3rd but is almost as bad in interviews as dewitt 3 in his own way just by how pretentious and condescending he is

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:37 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.

It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.

Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:37 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:19 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:12 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 11:03 am

icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.

^^^THIS^^^

Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).

NO WAY he starts every 3 games.

Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.

When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.

Agreed

Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.

Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".

Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.

I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.

It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.

Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways